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03:21 < adlai> re: producing productive citizens - it helps to weed out the unproductive ones via... filters, of various sorts. don't call it eugenics but don't close the laser tag emporia even if they don't mandate padded helmets
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04:34 < TMA> what's exactly (allegedly) wrong with not requiring helmets? they are not necessary in the office, the environment is not that much different from a cubicle maze.
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05:50 < maaku> TMA: do you routineline run around cubicle mazes at high speed while ducking behind copiers to avoid line of sight with other coworkers?
05:55 < TMA> maaku: i do not run high speed even in a laser tag emporium -- I do not want to get hurt from my own clumsiness
05:56 < maaku> then maybe you should wear a helmet?
05:58 < TMA> maaku: not running is fine. there is plenty of time to avoid banging my head against anything if I am not in the mood of banging my head against whatever
06:00 < TMA> but I get your point. if the main goal is to run at high speed and duck, not to maintain one's own well-being, then mandatory helmets might enhance survival chances of the careless
06:06 < TMA> well, children cannot be reasonably expected to evaluate hazards with sufficient precision. Maybe their owners (that are presumably able to evaluate) shall be responsible for providing any carelessness mitigating devices.
06:11 < TMA> in a similar manner, when walking on slippery pavements, a speed adjustment might be in place, even though it means that walkin 329 feet 8 inches will take two or three minutes instead of one
07:05 < kanzure> hmph
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07:59 < kanzure> "Aubrey de Grey, better known to the world as a radical life extension researcher, on Sunday posted a preprint on the arXiv claiming to prove that the chromatic number of the plane is at least 5—the first significant progress on the Hadwiger-Nelson problem since 1950.  If you’re tuning in from home, the Hadwiger-Nelson problem asks: what’s the minimum number of colors that you need to ...
07:59 < kanzure> ...color the Euclidean plane, in order to ensure that every two points at distance exactly 1 from each other are colored differently?  It’s not hard to show that at least 4 colors are necessary, or that 7 colors suffice. Until a few days ago, nothing better was known."
07:59 < kanzure> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1804.02385.pdf
08:16 < kanzure> gizmodo lawsuit dismissed due to.. reasons.
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09:08 < kanzure> strange: "I think that asking [the professor] for permission to reference his work would be the right thing to do."
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09:21 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/985915781354573825
09:21 < yoleaux> I am excited to announce a SemiSynBio report I've coauthored on "Future DNA synthesis technologies" https://www.src.org/program/grc/semisynbio/semisynbio-consortium-roadmap/6043-full-report-dna-based-storage-final-twg1-4-18.pdf in collaboration w/ Semiconductor Research Corporation, @norklemcdorkle, & myself; A summary of work from our colleagues & a SRC/@IARPAnews workshop. (@kanzure)
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10:03 < kanzure> yashgaroth: welcome back to the land of the living
10:03 < yashgaroth> almost there
10:05 < kanzure> you ded?
10:05 < yashgaroth> was for a little bit, but I got better
10:11 < nmz787> yashgaroth: sorry to hear
10:12 < yashgaroth> 's okay, it was worthwhile
10:13 < nmz787> a good flush of the system is good once in a while
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11:37 < kanzure> https://www.amazon.com/Bitcoin-Standard-Decentralized-Alternative-Central/dp/1119473861
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12:18 < kanzure> "ABOUT 40 YEARS ago, Louise Brown, the first human created using in vitro fertilization, was conceived in a petri dish. Not long after her birth, Leon Kass, a prominent biologist and ethicist at the University of Chicago, wrung his hands about the then-­revolutionary technology of joining sperm and egg outside the body. The mere existence of the baby girl, he wrote in an article, called into ...
12:18 < kanzure> ...question “the idea of the humanness of our human life and the meaning of our embodiment, our sexual being, and our relation to ancestors and descendants.” The editors of Nova magazine suggested in vitro fertilization was “the biggest threat since the atom bomb.”"
12:18 < kanzure> THE BIGGEST THREAT SINCE THE ATOM BOMB
12:18 < kanzure> hairless humans smoother than bikini island! the horrors! run in fear!
12:23 < kanzure> https://www.wired.com/story/reverse-infertility/
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13:19 < superkuh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50LOCjbyAUQ - video of the simulation of the frequency sweep of the bandpass filter design I'm working on. Now with more *meta-materials* (gotta use the buzzword instead of just saying nested open loop resonators)
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13:57 < adlai> TMA: my main memory of laser tag is getting thwacked in the temple by someone else's laser gun when we both ran into the same intersection from adjacent paths, a collision sufficiently inelastic that i no longer remember which temple got thwacked.
13:58 < adlai> this is an excellent example of evolution at work; clearly being a thick-skulled idiot provides ruggeder survivability than being an egghead
13:58  * adlai was maybe 7 years old, around the same age that he mistook the champagne glass for water... c'est la vie
13:59 < adlai> in my defense, the bubbles did spell DRINK ME
14:01 < fenn> and here i thought you were promoting darwin award attempts
14:01 < adlai> this planet would be so much happier if darwin awards were considered a greater badge of merit than kids
14:02 < adlai> unfortunately it is politically incorrect to advocate the placing of people, of any age, in the way of risk, financial or otherwise.
14:02 < fenn> you bet yer bitcoin it is
14:04 < fenn> last time i got hit hard in the temple was being punched by an over-trained seventh grader
14:05 < adlai> thankfully it seems that educational institutions will remain brimming with bullies and teachers of the old school, for the forseeable future
14:05 < fenn> and soon to be given semiautomatic weapons
14:05 < fenn> hurrah
14:05 < adlai> eh, firearm accessibility is rather orthogonal
14:06 < adlai> not that i'm against ~physical~ safety
14:06 < fenn> the security guard at my high school accidentally shot himself while spinning his gun around like a cowboy
14:06 < adlai> maybe he should've been issued a guitar instead?
14:07 < fenn> i think it would be great if kids were given actual firearms training as a matter of state indoctrination
14:08 < adlai> they did that for a while, but then the other kids started complaining in public. also it cost a bunch of southeast asian forests.
14:08 < adlai> (and european cities, and mediterranean pastures, and and and )
14:09 < fenn> that some serious conflation
14:09 < TMA> adlai: that goes under the 'owner responsibility' clause;; at 7 you were probably still a child. when I was 7, there were no such things here, thus I was spared the possibility to have my head cracked in this particular manner
14:10 < adlai> fenn: what better weapons training is there than teaching people to a) correctly operate, and not incorrectly operate, the weapons, and b) shoot in the direction where there are no people, unless ordered otherwise
14:11 < adlai> let's not kid ourselves. guns are not toys. if you want to train people to use them, you're implicitly justifying the production of a tool for killing.
14:12  * adlai ceases and desists the politics... goodnight
14:14  * TMA has heard a nice summation of gun control debate in the USA: the republicans use their guns for self defense, sport and hunting, while the democrats use them to hurt innocent people. therefore the former do want them permitted, while the latter do want them forbidden
14:16 < adlai> ahahahaha and israel uses guns as a thing that teenagers shouldn't lose else they get thrown in jail
14:51 < fenn> fuck this new internet that serves 404 pages when you aren't using an "approved" browser
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17:30 < CaptHindsight> read through much of the SemiSynBio report earlier
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17:31 < CaptHindsight> lots of speculation
17:31 < CaptHindsight> some misinformation on the deposition tech
17:32 < CaptHindsight> but yeah some people that actually understand the tech could work on it all and come up with something fast and low cost
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18:54 < kanzure> blort
18:54 < kanzure> CaptHindsight: well, if you have any corrections to offer, i'm happy to pass them along
19:08 < kanzure> https://forum.micropython.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4596&p=27016#p27016
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19:16 < kanzure> .title https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3740159/
19:16 < yoleaux> Self-perceptions from People with Down Syndrome
19:16 < CaptHindsight> kanzure: pass them along to whom?
19:17 < kanzure> i was the author
19:17 < kanzure> so... to myself.
19:17 < kanzure> and norkle mcdorkle
19:17 < CaptHindsight> heh
19:19 < nmz787> yo
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19:21 < norklemcdorkle> sup
19:21 < CaptHindsight> I think I went over some of this with you since last Sept
19:21 < CaptHindsight> heat is not the issue with inkjet
19:21 < CaptHindsight> piezo inkjet or MEMS inkjet
19:22 < norklemcdorkle> then? buildup and then sticking?
19:22 < CaptHindsight> heads with higher speeds and much smaller drops are not a problem to fab (except maybe for patents)
19:23 < CaptHindsight> it's just that nonbody currently makes them since there are few applications
19:23 < CaptHindsight> Return on Investment
19:24 < CaptHindsight> Mhz rates at few molecule drop size just has to be built
19:24 < norklemcdorkle> $30k for 20 chips of 7.7mm^2 on optical/MEMS fab process
19:24 < CaptHindsight> in fact much of this will be easier since the drop size should be so much smaller than what is used for graphics
19:24 < norklemcdorkle> how many nozzles could you pack into one of those chips?
19:25 < norklemcdorkle> and how many times would you need to repeat the $30k run, before it worked (right and well)
19:25 < CaptHindsight> patent landmine
19:25 < norklemcdorkle> assuming it was for research only, and that didn't matter
19:26 < norklemcdorkle> MPEG-LA will solve that for us later
19:26 < norklemcdorkle> ;)
19:26 < norklemcdorkle> *poke*
19:26 < kanzure> uhh
19:26 < kanzure> no
19:27 < norklemcdorkle> I meant kanzure, not MPEG-LA
19:27 < norklemcdorkle> typo
19:29 < kanzure> MPEG-LA unlikely to help us here. i've been speaking with their biotech leader person thing.
19:31 < kanzure> https://www.cibolo.com/docs/culture_shock_yardboard2-2.jpg
19:31 < kanzure> https://www.cibolo.com/docs/culture_shock_yardboard2-2-sm.jpg
19:33 < CaptHindsight> Kia Silverbrook
19:34 < CaptHindsight> looks like HP settled with them  https://www.memjet.com/press-releases/memjet-and-hp-inc-agree-to-settlement-of-patent-dispute/
19:35 < CaptHindsight> Silverbrook has the patents on stitching MEMS to make bigger heads
19:35 < CaptHindsight> looks like Canon has a deal with them as well
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19:45 < kanzure> stitching?
19:51 < kanzure> music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPjCwXyvTG8
19:51 < CaptHindsight> stacking them like Legos, you wouldn't make a 100mm wide head from one piece of silicon
19:51 < CaptHindsight> or an array
19:54 < fenn> so non-obvious
19:55 < fenn> much wow
19:57 < CaptHindsight> yeah, pretty sad
19:57 < fenn> "He is one of the most prolific inventors in the world, and has been granted 4,744 US utility patents"
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19:58 < fenn> i guess once you realize how stupid the patent office is, you can set up some automation and exploit the system
19:58 < CaptHindsight> much of what he did
19:59 < CaptHindsight> Silverbrook brought very little to market
20:01 < CaptHindsight> He is the founder and chairman of Genetic Analysis System (Geneasys) an Australian based company which is working on developing “KeyLab” a medical diagnostic device which analyses multiple devices from DNA using a standard smartphone.
20:02 < CaptHindsight> Silverbrook holds 9874 patents or patent applications registered at the international patent document database.
20:17 < nmz787> "linezolid appears to work on the first step of protein synthesis, initiation, unlike most other protein synthesis inhibitors, which inhibit elongation"
20:17 < nmz787> .wik linezolid
20:17 < yoleaux> "Linezolid is an antibiotic used for the treatment of infections caused by Gram-positive bacteria that are resistant to other antibiotics. Linezolid is active against most Gram-positive bacteria that cause disease, including streptococci, vancomycin-resistant enterococci (VRE), and methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA)." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linezolid
20:18 < nmz787> "Linezolid is a completely synthetic drug: it does not occur in nature (unlike erythromycin and many other antibiotics) and was not developed by building upon a naturally occurring skeleton (unlike most beta-lactams, which are semisynthetic)"
20:23 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
20:23 < yoleaux> Clarke and Dawe - The Front Fell Off - YouTube
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21:19 < nmz787> http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6384/58/tab-pdf
21:19 < nmz787> .title
21:19 < yoleaux> Convergent evidence for widespread rock nitrogen sources in Earth’s surface environment | Science
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21:19 < nmz787> 'rocks contribute to global air concentrations'
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