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04:56 < kanzure> "Chaff bugs: Deterring attackers by making software buggier" https://arxiv.org/pdf/1808.00659.pdf
05:03 < kanzure> (bogons)
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10:39 < fenn> what's a little friendly fire between friends
10:41 < kanzure> pew pew pew
10:41 < fenn> this chaff strategy is pointless in open source software because you can just recompile with BUGS=off
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10:45 < kanzure> http://www.smashcompany.com/philosophy/i-know-more-than-12000-people-so-do-you
10:45 < kanzure> i like how this randomly quotes christopher allen (someone i've been hanging out with lately)
10:46 < kanzure> oh he's a human pessimist i guess http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2004/03/the_dunbar_numb.html
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10:52 < fenn> there are only 150 people
10:52 < fenn> try to prove otherwise
10:53 < kanzure> johnny, adam, markus, mike, mark, davus, markus, adam, johnny.. shit.
10:53 < fenn> i don't have any registered public keys so i guess i don't exist either
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11:08 < fenn> christopher allen's optimum team size of 7 +-2 is suspiciously similar to human working memory size
11:10 < fenn> if i had a company and the primary limitation on effective team size was the physical distance required to shout across a room, i'd definitely make everyone wear NASA style microphone headsets
11:12 < fenn> real time text transcription could intelligibly de-scramble people talking over one another pretty easily
11:12 < fenn> speech transcription*
11:24 < fenn> "There is a religious community in Canada that lives together and practices low tech farming. Their farms are not necessarily adjacent to one another, and each farm has up to about 100 members. Whenever a farm begins to approach this limit, it starts the process of splitting in two. This involves working together to acquire a new piece of land, build the new buildings, and prepare everything
11:24 < fenn> needed in the new location. The group splits into two, and each chooses a leader. On the night before the move, everyone packs — in both groups. The inhabitants of the new place are not determined until the day of departure. On the morning of the move, the two leaders flip a coin to decide which will go and which will stay. This has the function of investing everyone in the new buildings."
11:27 < kanzure> laptops focused on privacy https://puri.sm/
12:25 < maaku> fenn: aparantly Polish fighter pilots in WW2 (flying for Britain) had totally different radio norms than the brits.
12:26 < maaku> the RAF had very strict radio rules to keep people from talking over each other. the Poles just kept a blabbing relevant info ("coming around," "i seem him," "there's a guy on your left" etc.)
12:27 < maaku> during a dogfight it was absolute chaos.. but it turns out the human brain is very very good at isolating a conversation from the background din, and you could focus on what your wingmate was saying even with everyone talking over each other
12:28 < maaku> I'm aware of the "dinner party effect" of course, but I'm surprised this worked over radio as well.
12:29 < maaku> But maybe it's important that this was not digital, so volume and quality reflected distance and would've helped with source isolation
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13:04 <@nmz787> maaku: hmm, I suppose you could detect the signal strength on digital variants, and reduce the volume for weaker signals to give a similar distance effect
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13:27 <@nmz787> kanzure: engineering common vaccine antibody DNA sequences into the genome would seem to be a great sell for designer baby health
13:28 <@nmz787> kanzure: also, an obvious money-maker would be increasing "cuteness"
13:29 <@nmz787> also some diagnostic capabilities would be good... not sure what signals would be reliable (and interesting) to monitor for the average parent... or what the reporter mechanism would be
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15:13 < adlai> if team optimization falls under hplus, you can't now skip citing the Second Foundation's count of twelve. more than 7\pm2, sure, but small enough that they can sit round one table (hear eachother both whisper and shout) and fragment upon necessity
15:16  * adlai has experience with team optimization due to reading too much and not enough time talking over officers on FM
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17:59 < kanzure> what?
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