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00:29 < pasky_> Lately I'm thinking a bit about bitcoin and the global warming impact - if bitcoin is really hitting 1% global electricity consumption, and I guess it's going to grow yet.
00:29 < pasky_> If I think about the humongous impact of global warming, participating in large-scale proof-of-work distributed systems might be genuinely unethical...
00:30 < pasky_> (unless most of that electricity has no ~carbon footprint and the used sources wouldn't get built otherwise)
00:30 < pasky_> Any good discussions in this direction?
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00:43 < archels> well, after you go vegetarian and sell your car, maybe we can begin worrying about that
00:49 < TMA> archels: consider that done by proxy. now worry
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01:06 < pasky_> archels: those things are also bad; but why is it an all-or-nothing ?
01:06 < fenn> taboo trades, the online marketplace where you can buy an abortion in england and sell a negative abortion in africa for a net total of plus one vegetarian
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01:08 < mrdata> sick
01:08 < fenn> i wish i could remember all of them, it was hilarious
01:09 < fenn> http://www.tabootrades.com/veggie/
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01:21 < Akh194> i read beta-carotene increases risk of lung cancer in smokers. being an ex smoker should i still be concerned and if so, for how long?
01:24 < mrdata> beta-carotene is a vitamin A precursor
01:24 < mrdata> i dont think you want to avoid it
01:24 < mrdata> Akh194, when did you quit?
01:24 < Akh194> a month ago or so
01:25 < Akh194> and ya though i figured i might want to be careful as to how much. at least for a time
01:25 < mrdata> but i never heard of this cancer risk from it
01:25 < mrdata> it's in carrots, and theyre healthy for you
01:25 < mrdata> do you have a link to this claim?
01:25 < TMA> fenn: I like the blurb on the homepage containing 'descerning' instead of 'discerning' ... arguably it might mean 'imperceptive' (whereas discerning means the opposite) -- that goes well with the overall mood of the service :)
01:26 < mrdata> how well established is the evidence for this
01:26 < Akh194> just re-googled it and it seems there's a plethora of info on the matter
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01:27 < TMA> Akh194: availability is not a substitute for validity.
01:28 < Akh194> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18429004
01:28 < mrdata> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20155614
01:29 < Akh194> just found the answer to my ? in the link lmao
01:29 < Akh194> ty
01:30 < mrdata> "No effects or even protective effects against smoke or carcinogen exposure were observed when beta-carotene was applied at physiological dosages or in combination with vitamins C and E, either as a mixture or in a stable formulation. In conclusion, human and animal studies have shown that specific circumstances, among them heavy smoking, seem to influence the effect of high beta-carotene intakes. In normal, healthy, nonsmoking populations,
01:30 < mrdata> there is evidence of beneficial effects."
01:30 < mrdata> i'd say dont supplement, but dont avoid it in food sources either
01:33 < Akh194> anyone present taking any anti-aging supplements? if so whats good? seems there's a ton of stuff out there. niagen, c60 and telomerase supplements seem to be the thing right now
01:34 < Akh194> anyone have any experience in that area?
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01:49 < Akh194> wish i would have went to school for this sort of stuff as i'm finding it all very interesting. confusing but interesting... thanks again mrdata
02:23 < archels> metformin
02:32 < archels> fenn: haha, tabootrades is hilarious
02:32 < archels> the website seems to be in mild disrepair, but the idea is grand
02:34 < Akh194> ya archels, i've read about metformin but unfortunately am non-diabetic so coming by it wouldn't be easy
02:34 < Akh194> not unless i can find someone slinging it on a street corner
02:36 < Akh194> then again 2 liters of soda a day for the past 20 years or so, quite possible
02:44 < ebowden> Akh194 Berberine is an Nrf2 and AMPK activator, taken at dosages of 1500-2000 mg daily.
02:47 < Akh194> ah, have come across it in my reading but as with all of these supplements i'm not entirely sure which provide the same function or which is most effective than the next
02:48 < Akh194> seems AMPK, SIRT1 and NAD+ are things to look to increase
02:48 < Akh194> what else am i missing? (a ton i'm sure)
02:49 < Akh194> most=more
02:58 < ebowden> Berberine raises NAD+.
03:00 < Akh194> i've also read that caloric restriction does as well and since i'm not a big eater would taking a NAD+ boosting supplement be that beneficial?
03:00 < ebowden> Though something that is not sold in large amounts, P7C3-s243 would probably be quite the ticket for NAD+ elevation.
03:00 < ebowden> Possibly.
03:01 < ebowden> People who do all the right things in terms of caloric restriction still age and experience declining NAD+ levels, among other things.
03:02  * Akh194 refrains from the declining nad level due to aging jk
03:04 < Akh194> then its settled, niagen otw. ty ebwoden
03:06 < ebowden> Can you get Berberine cheaply?
03:06 < Akh194> according to amazon i believe so
03:07 < Akh194> never bought it so don't know whats considered cheap
03:07 < Akh194> is it superior to niagen?
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04:07 < ebowden> I am pretty sure berberine and niagen are very different.
04:10 < Akh194> thought so but you mentioned berberine raising NAD+ so thought it might be superior in that respect. though, from what i understand NR is the direct precursor to NAD+ so it would seem to be the best at raising it
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04:27 < Akh194> this is all still very new to me so please bear with me. thank you for your time and insight ebowden. have a great day
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07:27 < Jenda`> fenn: That rent-a-vegetarian page is hilarious. Wanna buy some not-driven-by-a-car kilometers?
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08:03 < maaku> pasky_: most bitcoin mining is renewables and/or making use of electricity that had to have been generated anyway
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08:04 < solene> maaku: how so?
08:04 < maaku> because it's cheap
08:04 < solene> i misunderstood your statement, sorry ;)
08:06 < maaku> the only way you can get electricity at $0.02/kWh or less, which is what it takes to be profitable, is by (1) exploiting lack of demand for electricity in places that renewables are abundant, like Sichuan, Quebec, or Washington state
08:07 < maaku> or by using fuel-generated electricity above demand but below minimum generated unit of a power plant
08:08 < maaku> meaning the plant is either ON or OFF, and when it is on it is generating too much electricity that normally would have just been dumped into the ground
08:09 < maaku> there is absolutely no way though that you'd be buying power which was specially generated for you, the bitcoin miner, in response to demand, because that would not be profitable for the power company
08:10 < maaku> (And unfortnately this is a major centralizing effect because such opportunities are few and far between, but I digress.)
08:12 < pompolic> 55
08:12 < pompolic> sorry
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13:51 <@nmz787> culture shock high-voltage pulse with voltage and current monitoring, captured via DMA interleaving 2 channels of data into a buffer (de-interleaved in the GUI before plotting)  https://imgur.com/7taOpRF
14:18 < fenn> what is doing DMA?
15:46 < fenn> there must be some cryptography application for this: http://drunkmenworkhere.org/170
15:47 < fenn> .title
15:47 < yoleaux> Drunk Men Work Here
15:47 < fenn> self-referential aptitude test
15:59 <@nmz787> fenn: stm32f401
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19:27 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17854065
19:27 < yoleaux> GlobalFoundries Stops All 7nm Development | Hacker News
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19:48 < Akh194> Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't TGF-b inhibitors be a more effective treatment for MFS than focusing on blood pressure and heart rate? Seems the gold standard are BBs and in more recent years ARBs.
19:53 < Akh194> I only ask since I'm trying to prevent coming apart at the seams. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated. ty
19:56 < fenn> please use less acronyms
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19:58 < jrayhawk> transforming growth factor beta, marfan syndrome, beta bockers, angiotensin receptor blocker, i think
20:16 < jrayhawk> huh, i would expect more on marfan from the non-immunogenic and anabolic/tissue turnover dieting communities, but there really isn't much of anything, positive or negative
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22:40 <@nmz787> I only really sight out fish places on the coast though, but I'm sure there's something suitable in Cannon Beach
22:40 <@nmz787> we could take a spin on a 4x4 trail on the way too ;)
22:40 <@nmz787> (an easy one)
22:40 <@nmz787> whoops, wrong channel
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23:47 <@nmz787> oh man, I wish I'd have found this a while ago https://github.com/pklaus/ds1054z
23:47 <@nmz787> .title
23:47 < yoleaux> GitHub - pklaus/ds1054z: Python package for the Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope
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