--- Log opened Thu Sep 13 00:00:08 2018 00:59 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:25 < nmz787> .wik Electrochemical stripping analysis 01:25 < yoleaux> "Electrochemical stripping analysis is a set of analytical chemistry methods based on voltammetry or potentiometry that are used for quantitative determination of ions in solution. Stripping voltammetry (anodic, cathodic and adsorptive) have been employed for analysis of organic molecules as well as metal ions." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrochemical_stripping_analysis 01:25 < nmz787> .tell fenn that's what I was thinking of when we were talking at the conference 01:25 < yoleaux> nmz787: I'll pass your message to fenn. 01:46 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-obxkcgckcehpsrmp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:35 < fenn> ok 02:35 < yoleaux> 08:25Z fenn: that's what I was thinking of when we were talking at the conference 02:36 < fenn> i heard about it in 2012 from someone at scanadu 02:57 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:45 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ydrzwdvtkmhqhomg] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:35 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:00 -!- Jay_Dugger [~jwdugger@47.185.249.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:11 < kanzure> nmz787: no notes. i am west coast this week and also i was at a hotel and also it was too noisy to get a good read on what anyone was saying. 07:18 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:15 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:16 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:17 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Client Quit] 08:17 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:28 -!- l_wl_ [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:29 -!- l_wl_ [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:29 -!- l_wl_ [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:31 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:36 -!- lewlking [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:36 -!- l_wl_ [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:88a0:9998:e3f3:9c64] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:12 -!- lewlking [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: lewl] 09:15 -!- l_wl_ [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:24 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ydrzwdvtkmhqhomg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:26 -!- l_wl__ [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:26 -!- l_wl_ [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:12 < nmz787> kanzure: well I guess nothing good was said 10:12 < nmz787> fenn: I bet I also first heard of it in 2012 when I had to take an Analytical Chemistry class 10:14 < nmz787> https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/09/06/409086 10:14 < nmz787> .title 10:14 < yoleaux> Xdrop: targeted sequencing of long DNA molecules from low input samples using droplet sorting | bioRxiv 10:14 < nmz787> .wik double emulsion droplet 10:14 < yoleaux> "Macroemulsions are homogenous transparent thermodynamically stable sytems(particoes sizes range from 5-140 nm,which spontenepusly when mixed in the correct ratio. Macroemulsions scatter light effectively and therefore appear milky, because their droplets are greater than a wavelength of light." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroemulsion 10:14 < nmz787> pfft 10:15 < nmz787> double emusion droplets are water-in-oil droplets which are then injected into water, to make water-in-oil-in-water droplets 10:41 -!- l_wl__ [~l_wl@96-88-198-77-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:29 -!- l_wl_ [~l_wl@2601:143:8000:595d:34aa:5385:abdd:61e9] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:44 < kanzure> "droplets containing a target sequence of interest are fluorescently labeled and sorted using flow cytometry" ok but then it's normal sequencing? 11:46 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:50 < nmz787> yeah 11:50 < nmz787> they compared pacbio, ocford nanopore, and illumina 11:53 < nmz787> Boise State University has a job position open for NAM (Nucleic Acid Memory)... no public posting though apparently 11:54 < nmz787> ugh, I really don't want to move from the PNW :( I like the green plants everywhere 11:56 -!- l_wl_ [~l_wl@2601:143:8000:595d:34aa:5385:abdd:61e9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 < kanzure> you don't have a phd 12:17 < nmz787> they say they can make exceptions 12:19 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:45 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:50 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ftoixkmdvuazahzf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:58 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:24 < fltrz> where can I read more about NAM? 14:47 < nmz787> fltrz: https://www.nature.com/articles/nmat4594 14:47 < nmz787> fltrz: https://www.src.org/program/grc/semisynbio/semisynbio-consortium-roadmap/6043-full-report-dna-based-storage-final-twg1-4-18.pdf 14:49 < fltrz> why do they bury the DOI link at the very very bottom of the page? just to annoy scihub users? 14:55 < superkuh> I've thought the same. 15:23 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:07 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:20 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ftoixkmdvuazahzf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:22 < nmz787> meh, I always just ctrl-f doi anyway, regardless of where it is usually 16:44 -!- mrdata- [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:44 -!- Jenda [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:45 -!- Jenda [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50 < fltrz> I followed the "writing with nanopores" reference from the first paper, but it seems more like monitoring the duplication with a nanopore, i.e. there is no control of choosing which base to write am I correct? Olasagasti, F. et al. Nature Nanotech. 5, 798–806 (2010). 16:50 < fltrz> soory link is https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3711841/ 17:19 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:21 < nmz787> fltrz: basically just showing they could monitor single nucleotides I guess, keeping a polymerase churning out new polymer near a monitoring device overall is an interesting feat otherwise 17:23 < fltrz> sure, I agree it's neat, I have no qualms with this last paper, only that the NAM paper is referencing it as "writing with nanopores" in the context of reading and writing data 17:23 < fltrz> it was this claim why I followed the reference 17:24 < fltrz> the NAM paper does not consider bistable conformations of the polymer 17:25 < fltrz> *of sections of polymer 17:26 < fltrz> I can imagine a nanopore being able to change the bistable conformation from obstructive to conductive and vice versa, then no chemical reactions are needed during writing 17:27 < fltrz> how hard is it to create a nanopore by ion track etching? 17:34 < fltrz> i.e. get SSNTD, optionally sand to desired thickness of plate, optionally anneal, then ion accelerator, then etch until measurable current between 2 sides 17:34 < fltrz> seems CR39 is commonly used for plastic eyeglass lenses 17:35 < fltrz> perhaps muon has enough momentum to leave ion track? 17:35 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:35 < fltrz> probably too fast though 17:37 < fltrz> "Principally used for the detection of alpha radiation emitting radionuclides (especially radon gas), the radiation-sensitivity properties of CR39 are also used for proton and neutron dosimetry and historically cosmic ray investigations." 17:37 < fltrz> should work then 17:37 < fltrz> not sure if the plastic SSNTD's can be annealed 17:38 < fltrz> probably just heat to glass transition temperature? 17:43 < nmz787> fltrz: ion track etching, TEM blasting, FIB blasting, or more scalable methods like DRIE and ALD 17:44 < fltrz> I was thinking for more decentralized means, without needing equipment or access to it 17:44 < nmz787> fltrz: I assume it was there as a reference for the monitoring and just as a stepping stone... if you could get the modulate the polymerase somehow, then it would indeed be writing 17:44 < nmz787> fltrz: without equipment, I think that's called hypothesis or philosophy 17:44 < fltrz> how would it be writing? only the complementary base would get written? 17:45 < fltrz> I meant centralized equipment, i.e. for a decentralized DNA sequencing project 17:46 < nmz787> well I have an SEM and FIB 17:46 < fltrz> if cosmic rays leave tracks you just need to leave it above ground 17:46 < nmz787> lol 17:46 < nmz787> well 17:46 < nmz787> that's an idea 17:46 < nmz787> I like it 17:46 < fltrz> :) 17:47 < nmz787> fltrz: where are you physically located? 17:47 < fltrz> belgium 17:47 < nmz787> fltrz: I ask because decentralization is really hard with big complex equipment 17:47 < nmz787> ah, mmm... so not coming over to tinker in my garage anytime soon 17:48 < fltrz> right, because the expensive equipment is understandably under centralized control 17:48 < fltrz> probably not soon :( 17:49 < nmz787> well 17:49 < nmz787> idk 17:50 < nmz787> it's not even the mass of it really... just tons of knobs and controls. But the equipment itself is quite complex, so getting to a scale where production could be cheap is unlikely anytime in the next 50 years (I imagine) 17:51 < fltrz> it's just tangentially related to an idea for making a worldwide sybil free platform, by sortitioned proctoring of sampling (to testify it came directly from a human) and sequencing 17:51 < nmz787> it would be cool if sometime in the next century electron microscope and such would be integrated into some commodity device 17:52 < fltrz> I would love at least to see constant-z STM with parallelized probe 17:52 < fltrz> i.e. array of stm probes 17:54 < nmz787> hmm, yeah not sure how that one is gonna work 17:55 < fltrz> rotating drum of stm probes? 17:55 < fltrz> the probes are static on the drum 17:57 < fltrz> each column of the picture corresponds with a single "ring" of the drum with a single probe, adjacent-column probes are separated by an angular separation 18:00 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: anonnumberanon, Solgriffin 18:00 -!- Solgriffin_ [sid282649@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ijasuwzryduymrkl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:00 < nmz787> yeah but if one atom is high, the whole row reads high? 18:01 < nmz787> sounds like you only increased the size of your probe, effectively 18:01 < fltrz> yes the whole column reads high 18:01 < fltrz> constant-z measures difference in current, its like in image sensors, you compensate each column 18:02 < fltrz> i.e. the column's amplifier or ADC may have an imperfection 18:02 < fltrz> so you calibrate by a known flat or otherwise reference surface 18:02 < nmz787> yeah but doesn't that assume you're still within tunneling range? 18:02 < fltrz> constant-z uses the assumption that there is a range of tunneling 18:02 < nmz787> I guess with constant Z the risk is just crashing or being out of range 18:03 < fltrz> both constant current and constant z have crashing risks 18:03 < nmz787> why not just have a row of tips? like a pitchfork? 18:03 < fltrz> because the base of the tips is much wider than the tips 18:03 < fltrz> so you have blind regions 18:04 < fltrz> better spread over a drum 18:04 < nmz787> not sure why changing the substrate changes things 18:04 < nmz787> I mean, why not just take a slice of the drum 18:04 -!- anonnumberanon [~anonnumbe@unaffiliated/anonnumberanon] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:04 < fltrz> then one tip can be placed ~1 atom to the right with respect to the first, without their bases overlapping 18:04 < nmz787> the rotary action seems like hell to fabricate and use 18:04 < fltrz> yes it will be hell to fabricate 18:05 < nmz787> yes but why can't you make a tip ~1 atom adjacent on a non-drum? 18:05 < fltrz> use not so much 18:05 < nmz787> you surely aren't going to be able to push a drum over a surface like a paint roller 18:05 < nmz787> you'd have to rotate it while scanning 18:05 < fltrz> because then you have contiguous conductor, if all the tips are adjacent 18:06 < fltrz> no the drums axis stays static, so not like a paint roller 18:06 < fltrz> the tip scans a whole column because of rotation 18:06 < fltrz> not translation 18:06 < fltrz> so the radius should be big enough 18:06 < nmz787> I doubt you will be able to do that 18:06 < nmz787> pushing it will just physically crash things 18:07 < fltrz> pushing what? 18:07 < nmz787> the drum 18:07 < nmz787> aren't you basically saying make a nano version of this http://retsel.com/store/images/PIZZA%20ROLLER%20DOCKER.jpg 18:07 < fltrz> when starting to scan a surface you start far, then you monitor the image at each revolution and assess the currents to decide what increment to close up 18:08 < nmz787> yes but are you rotating the drum electrically via a motor, or by physically pushing it like a wheel? 18:09 < fltrz> sure, but in that picture the sample is vertical and to the right, and the drum rotates, while you slowly move in the opposite direction of the handle, i.e. there is no paint rolling movement 18:09 < fltrz> I don't know how it should be actuated, it's just a crazy idea 18:09 < fltrz> (in case that wasn't clear) 18:09 < nmz787> I still think a linear array of probes seems easier 18:10 < nmz787> (I work part-time at a place that makes nanoindenter probes and similar stuff) 18:10 < nmz787> don't have an STM to test... but if you want to build me that open-source STM.. I could be convinced to build and test some whacky probes 18:10 < fltrz> I don't see how you can arrange conductive non-connecting traces 1 atom apart, but if they are 100 atoms apart, you can still use it to scan at 1 atom resolution by keeping it slanted of course 18:11 < fltrz> that sounds like a real interesting job 18:12 < nmz787> well there are different orthongonal directions 18:12 < nmz787> but in any case, you have the same exact challenge with a drum 18:13 < nmz787> but 1 atom apart is sort of a bad way to think... as different atoms (and bonds) have different bond strengths and lengths... 18:13 < fltrz> with a drum one can separate the probes over large distances and have thicker conductors separated by insulators route the current 18:13 < nmz787> the best TEMs get like 10-100X better than 1 atom width 18:13 < fltrz> right, thats why I meant ~ 1 atom 18:13 < nmz787> oh so your drum doesn't have probes next to each other by an atom? 18:14 < fltrz> no, thats why I chose a drum 18:14 < nmz787> if they're further apart, then... 18:14 < fltrz> right 18:14 < nmz787> how are you getting the resolution? 18:14 < nmz787> multiple passes? 18:14 < fltrz> and since rotation seems more reliable than translation, drum 18:14 < fltrz> no 18:16 < fltrz> they are separated by large distances on the drum, but because the radius of the drum is large enough, one can arrange that for each column in the picture or ring on the drum (saying the same thing) the tip is advanced by one the resolution step wanted 18:17 < fltrz> as an (inefficient but simpler) example: place the tips in a spiral, and the axial distance between 2 consecutive probes is the desired resolution step 18:18 < fltrz> then the radius needs to be large enough so that upon returning the advancement axially is larger than a probe tip base 18:18 < fltrz> using gcd/lcm etc you can fill the drum more efficiently 18:19 < fltrz> a single revolution scans each column 18:19 < fltrz> in theory, the small section of the drum used for scanning 1 sample is pretty small angularly speaking 18:20 < fltrz> so you can amortize the price of the device by putting "sample portals" around the drum so they are scanned in parallel for 1 rotation 18:20 < fltrz> perhaps disc is a better visualization than drum 18:21 < nmz787> so you hover over the sample, rotate once fully, that gets a column for the image 18:21 < nmz787> then what? 18:21 < fltrz> that gets all the collumns for the image 18:21 < nmz787> it sounded like you don't translate the sample or probe at that point 18:21 < fltrz> each probe is 1 column 18:22 < fltrz> as it rotates the current changes over time 18:22 < fltrz> so each probe gives a height profile 18:22 < nmz787> wait, your spiral example I thought required the drum to be positioned immovably while scanning/rotating 18:22 < fltrz> well, you always slowly advance an stm to the sample 18:22 < nmz787> no 18:22 < fltrz> or the sample to the stm 18:22 < nmz787> I meanin XY 18:22 < nmz787> not Z 18:23 < fltrz> you can keep the drums axis fixed without translation 18:23 < fltrz> but then you need to slowly have the sample approach the drum in order to not crash into the probes 18:23 < nmz787> but that's Z only, right? 18:23 < fltrz> right 18:24 < nmz787> ok, I wasn't concerned with Z 18:24 < nmz787> I mean X and Y 18:24 < fltrz> so the picuree is X and Y 18:24 < nmz787> right 18:24 < nmz787> but a rotation only yields a single column 18:24 < nmz787> so then you need to step over and rotate again 18:24 < fltrz> so a single probe scans a column of the image over time, i.e. at each angle of the drum there is a different current 18:24 < nmz787> hmm 18:25 < nmz787> idk, seems like signal is gonna fall off quick 18:25 < fltrz> so a single probe reads all pixels of a fixed X 18:25 < nmz787> best SNR will be at the tangent parallel to your sample 18:25 < nmz787> at 90 degrees the probe will be facing perpendicularly, and at 180 degrees will be pointing away from the sample 18:25 < fltrz> the drum is much larger than the region of atoms being scanned 18:26 < nmz787> so those extremes at least won't yield data 18:26 < fltrz> the drum is locally almost flat 18:26 < nmz787> hmm, idk about the signal strengths and ranges 18:26 < nmz787> guess that's an easy question for an STM expert 18:27 < fltrz> basically different rows will have different z depths 18:28 < fltrz> rows in the picture 18:29 < fltrz> it's probably just a brainfart though 18:30 < fltrz> you saw the piezo disc STM? 18:30 < fltrz> the probe was what, perhaps 1 cm long, and its rotating around the center of the piezo disc 18:30 < fltrz> that seems like a high curvature, but the area of interest is very very small 18:32 -!- gygax [~yaje@unaffiliated/yaje] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:33 < fltrz> sin(nanometers/centimeter) = ~ (nanometers/centimeter) = ~ 10^-6 18:34 < fltrz> where I took nanometers = 10 nm 18:34 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:37 < fltrz> I don't know how much the tightest bearing systems have 18:37 < fltrz> *how much play 18:43 < fltrz> perhaps active feedback on magnetic bearing? 18:44 < fltrz> with quadrant photodiode on center of rotation on both flat sides of the drum 18:46 < fltrz> or a single STM probe at the center on each sides and then quadrant electrode on the housing 18:46 < fltrz> brainfart upon brainfart 18:47 < fltrz> what kind of things do you make at work? 18:53 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:58 < nmz787> hmm, but the piezo STM tip is probably wholly conductive... so even at an angle, the electric field would be relatively unimpeded. And I guess since it's a single tip it calibration would allow it to surely get within range anywhere within the field-of-view, while on the drum you can't 'push' the tip out closer to the sample when it is an angled probe 18:58 < nmz787> mostly I just package already made widgets in a semi-clean room 18:59 < nmz787> made some micropipettes otherwise 19:00 < nmz787> they make nanoindention probes (hardness testers I think), and stuff for profilometry, as well as custom apertures (not quite nanopores, but close on the smaller end) 19:03 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:15 < fltrz> thats cool stuff right there 19:15 < fltrz> suppose you want to scan a square meter at cm resolution, the drum has diameter say 1km, its practically flat over the square meter 19:16 < fltrz> thats for a 1/1000 ratio 19:16 < fltrz> but for 10nm over a centimeter radius its 1/(1 000 000) 19:17 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:19 < fltrz> the piezo STM doesn't correct for the curvature I'm pretty sure, just a probe scanning row by row 19:19 < fltrz> the deflection angle over the region of interest is so small, its negligible 19:20 < fltrz> and if it bothers, just choose a larger radius 19:22 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:26 < fltrz> actually you can compare it to earth radius, for a square meter its about 1/6000000 19:26 < fltrz> are 2 wires 1 meter apart with a weight, parallel enough for you? 19:30 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:30 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Client Quit] 19:35 < fltrz> I was wrong, the spiral is probably optimal if the base is shaped as a unit cell for 2 dimensional crystals (square, hexagon, ...) 19:38 < nmz787> fltrz: this comes to mind "A simple approach to neutral atom microscopy" https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4fb3/c24cbfff7428a54a768d90b3fd9801278b3d.pdf 19:38 < nmz787> less moving parts... but also worse resolution 19:38 < nmz787> just thinking about your bearing comments 19:40 -!- mrdata- [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40 < fltrz> thanks, that looks like a genius idea 19:40 < nmz787> I wonder how you can do some sort of gas probe STM 19:41 < nmz787> like the laser induced plasma stuff 19:41 < fltrz> still by conducting? 19:41 < nmz787> .wik electrolaser 19:41 < yoleaux> "An electrolaser is a type of electroshock weapon that is also a directed-energy weapon. It uses lasers to form an electrically conductive laser-induced plasma channel (LIPC)." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolaser 19:41 < fltrz> yes 19:41 < fltrz> making air conductive 19:41 < nmz787> or whatever 19:41 < fltrz> its just that I don't immediately see how to make a sharp tip in plasma 19:41 < nmz787> seems tricky to engineer 19:42 < nmz787> but once it is... it isn't really moving 19:42 < nmz787> :/ 19:42 < fltrz> you mean you could scan the beam 19:42 < fltrz> I used to wonder if we could discharge clouds with that thing 19:43 < fltrz> sorry got to read that paper you showed me now 19:44 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:45 < fltrz> since turbig media slow the speed of light by scattering, I also wonder if we could simply image through "milk" at higher resolutions 19:45 < fltrz> *turbid 19:46 < fltrz> the problem is really that the speed of light is so fast that forces the wavelength to be long 19:48 < fltrz> nmz787, did you partially recall this microscopy technique because it's also called NAM? 19:48 < fltrz> nucleic acid memory, neutral atom microscopy 19:48 < fltrz> 1/26^3 19:54 < fltrz> whats typical inkjet nozzle diameter? 20:02 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: pompolic, juul, kanzure, sivoais 20:02 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- pompolic [~A@109.61.90.252] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- sivoais [~zaki@199.19.225.239] has quit [Changing host] 20:02 -!- sivoais [~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:02 -!- Netsplit over, joins: juul 20:02 -!- pompolic [~A@109.61.90.252] has quit [Changing host] 20:02 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:07 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:38 < nmz787> fltrz: interesting coincidence, but I didn't think of that consciously 20:40 < nmz787> fltrz: kanzure should know inkjet nozzle diameters 21:09 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:11 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:12 -!- helleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:20 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:36 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:20 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:20 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23 -!- ExeciN [~nicexe@bnc.stormbit.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:24 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:27 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:88a0:9998:e3f3:9c64] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29 -!- gygax [~yaje@unaffiliated/yaje] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 22:43 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:44 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:51 -!- ebowden [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:56 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:14 < nmz787> https://bomb.bio/about/ 23:14 < nmz787> .title 23:14 < yoleaux> Idea – bomb.bio 23:14 < nmz787> bomb - "biology on magnetic beads" --- Log closed Fri Sep 14 00:00:08 2018