--- Log opened Fri Sep 28 00:00:21 2018 00:20 -!- pooby3 [~pooby@190-204-153-70.dyn.dsl.cantv.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:22 -!- pooby3 [~pooby@190-204-153-70.dyn.dsl.cantv.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25 -!- hohum28 [~hohum@201.242.207.95] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:29 -!- hohum28 [~hohum@201.242.207.95] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:52 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:58 -!- Kraetzin23 [~Kraetzin@125.127.102.238] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:59 -!- Kraetzin23 [~Kraetzin@125.127.102.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26 -!- Xof1 [~Xof@user9.151-252-146.netatonce.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:27 -!- Xof1 [~Xof@user9.151-252-146.netatonce.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31 -!- Ducky^5 [~Ducky^@218.56.225.169] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:31 -!- Phil [uid148871@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iepktwzjjjjlwnpp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:33 -!- retoaded10 [~retoaded@219.142.215.37] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:33 -!- Ducky^5 [~Ducky^@218.56.225.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34 -!- retoaded10 [~retoaded@219.142.215.37] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10 -!- Jiffy27 [~Jiffy@121.143.122.207] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:11 -!- nicedice [~nicedice@unaffiliated/nicedice] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12 -!- nicedice [~nicedice@unaffiliated/nicedice] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:13 -!- Jiffy27 [~Jiffy@121.143.122.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27 -!- DeathKnight [~DeathKnig@211.228.239.204] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:27 -!- DeathKnight [~DeathKnig@211.228.239.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38 -!- lukexj29 [~lukexj@66.96.243.106] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:42 -!- oremj4 [~oremj@220.70.29.237] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:42 -!- lukexj29 [~lukexj@66.96.243.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44 -!- oremj4 [~oremj@220.70.29.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45 -!- TheTrash6 [~TheTrash@190.39.115.166] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:48 -!- TheTrash6 [~TheTrash@190.39.115.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59 -!- Jenda [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:00 -!- Jenda [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 04:01 -!- Jenda` [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:08 -!- RangerRick22 [~RangerRic@89.251.28.226] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:10 -!- RangerRick22 [~RangerRic@89.251.28.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:15 -!- blackheart28 [~blackhear@181.91.45.27] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:19 -!- blackheart28 [~blackhear@181.91.45.27] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:09 -!- sid7710 [~sid77@185.114.246.39] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:13 -!- sid7710 [~sid77@185.114.246.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14 -!- Phil [uid148871@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mzgechjsbcyjertt] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:30 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:35 -!- Case_Of12 [~Case_Of@softbank126024178015.bbtec.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:36 -!- Case_Of12 [~Case_Of@softbank126024178015.bbtec.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:37 < adlai> Storyteller: uhm. the napier constant (or whatever you call 'e') used as an exponent? somebody is horribly confused (admittedly that could be me) 06:36 -!- kzantow_20 [~kzantow_@178.87.131.24] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:37 -!- kzantow_20 [~kzantow_@178.87.131.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:41 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@pool-71-191-33-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:46 -!- agent_white16 [~agent_whi@92.49.143.0] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:50 -!- agent_white16 [~agent_whi@92.49.143.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57 -!- FlibberTGibbet4 [~FlibberTG@61.68.120.62] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:57 -!- FlibberTGibbet4 [~FlibberTG@61.68.120.62] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01 -!- pepesza [~pepesza@185.83.218.228] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:06 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:08 -!- Jay_Dugger [~jwdugger@47.185.249.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:18 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:19 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:21 -!- Jay_Dugger [~jwdugger@47.185.249.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:22 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:22 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:25 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:26 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:26 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:27 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:28 -!- ebowden_ [~ebowden@unaffiliated/ebowden] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:28 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:31 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:46 -!- Luc-SVK22 [~Luc-SVK@196.118.183.194] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:48 -!- Luc-SVK22 [~Luc-SVK@196.118.183.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52 -!- jlund [~jlund@109.196.183.118] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:58 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:59 -!- jlund [~jlund@109.196.183.118] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 08:12 -!- Storyteller [~Storytell@unaffiliated/storyteller] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 08:48 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:50 -!- yashgaroth [~yashgarot@2606:6000:c308:f700:905d:1e64:108e:50b2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:25 -!- camerongray15 [~camerongr@171.249.91.179] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:32 -!- camerongray15 [~camerongr@171.249.91.179] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:37 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:39 -!- okamis [~okamis@h88-129-223-225.cust.se.alltele.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:43 < kanzure> "Spermatogonial stem cells and spermatogenesis in mice, monkeys and men" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6010318/ 09:46 -!- jd16 [~jd@line175-20.adsl.kirov.ru] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:47 -!- okamis [~okamis@h88-129-223-225.cust.se.alltele.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53 -!- jd16 [~jd@line175-20.adsl.kirov.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:22 -!- mamalos2 [~mamalos@222.111.137.76] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:28 -!- mamalos2 [~mamalos@222.111.137.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:32 -!- lericson29 [~lericson@183.157.171.26] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:38 -!- lericson29 [~lericson@183.157.171.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:54 -!- Phil [uid148871@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mzgechjsbcyjertt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:14 -!- Phil [uid148871@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kaccrokvazbnqgsv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:17 < fltrz> is there a tool that checks if a DOI is freely available (in the legal sense)? 11:26 < fltrz> http://openaccessweek.org/profiles/blogs/introducing-oadoi-resolve-a-doi-straight-to-oa hmm 11:36 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36 -!- sachy [~sachy@78.108.102.220] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:49 < kanzure> there is a doi registration thing you can use 12:00 -!- Burninate [~Burn@pool-108-56-210-9.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:12 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:40 < fltrz> kanzure, what are you referring to? 12:40 < fltrz> to get your own DOI codes? 12:44 < fltrz> kanzure, I wonder if it would be legal to do this: suppose pdfbloat exists, and is used to detect and then fix with other tools (AI raster plot -> scalable vector graphics ?) to make them much smaller, then some kind of "pdf diff" format that tells which pdf objects to replace with a more space efficient version. Would it be legal to post such diff files for OA articles? 12:45 < fltrz> i.e. individuals fixing bloated pdf's could then upload "pdf diffs" so that others can shrink their DB 12:47 < fltrz> perhaps publishers themselves, perhaps scihub/libgen (to light a fire under the ass of the publishers and force them to pay attention to file size), if sci-hub libgen, then automated/AI fixes could be prompted before allowing a user to download a pdf, i.e. you see a screen and must judge if the conversion is correct (not just looks better) 12:47 < fltrz> then the users who are judging tend to be people who understand the relevant fields and symbols 12:50 < fltrz> if your judgments systematically deviate from 1) the rest 2) a select group of hired judges 3) those users who explain why a conversion is incorrect then your IP is banned for a day :D 12:51 < fltrz> and when you try to get PDF you must first catch up by checking conversions until you are judging correctly, you can choose to keep checking conversions within the field or related papers even if you weren't looking them up, and then you get an access code you can write on a piece of paper and use for the next ~40 papers 12:53 < fltrz> so that's obviously illegal, but not more illegal than what sci-hub is already doing, and they are then actually performing one of the many editor/publisher functions 12:53 < fltrz> if I restrict to OA, it could only run on volunteers 12:54 < fltrz> but with a paperbloat soft, we could focus on the worst offending bloat first 12:55 < fltrz> perhaps trade "pdf diffs" with the original publishers in exchange for more OA articles 12:56 < fltrz> or perhaps suggest publishers give X free articles per "pdf diff" a user submits through the program to the user 12:56 < fltrz> sooner or later the smaller pdf's end up on scihub... 12:58 < fltrz> "Is Unpaywall legal? Yes! We harvest content from legal sources including repositories run by universities, governments, and scholarly societies, as well as open content hosted by publishers themselves. We do not harvest from sources of dubious legality like ResearchGate or Sci-Hub. If you ever encounter content indexed by Unpaywall that is posted in violation of copyright, let us know and we'll remove it immediately. " 12:59 < fltrz> I didn't know ResearchGate was of dubious legality? 13:06 -!- macdice21 [~macdice@206.210.104.250] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:13 -!- macdice21 [~macdice@206.210.104.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:23 -!- Jay_Dugger [~jwdugger@47.185.249.138] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:24 -!- Jay_Dugger [~jwdugger@47.185.249.138] has quit [Client Quit] 13:28 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:34 -!- Eramdam20 [~Eramdam@220.122.242.210] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:35 -!- Eramdam20 [~Eramdam@220.122.242.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:10 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:27 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@pool-71-191-33-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:43 -!- shurane4 [~shurane@183.96.35.22] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:44 -!- shurane4 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