--- Log opened Sun Nov 04 00:00:56 2018 00:16 -!- TC [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:20 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@cpe-174-97-113-184.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-86-49-16-65.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:16 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:22 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:22 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-86-49-16-65.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24 -!- pasky_ [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:08 < jrayhawk> I will probably be restarting Gnusha tomorrow for a kernel upgrade. Be sure to /addallchans 01:12 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:17 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:31 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:37 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:01 < archels> "It's like you're living on a space station and get trampled by a horse." 02:02 < archels> (re running into a 44-year old bug^H^H^Hdesign decision) 02:27 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:27 < jrayhawk> his story seems oddly pedestrian for that analogy. the trillion dollar mistake is 53 years old, for instance. 02:29 < jrayhawk> i.e. legacy designs more ancient than that fuck us on a daily basis 02:30 < jrayhawk> oh, i guess it's still called a billion dollar mistake 02:30 < jrayhawk> maybe in another fifty years we can upgrade it 02:35 < archels> what's the billion dollar mistake, NULL? 02:37 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:38 < jrayhawk> Yeah. 02:54 < mrdata__> oh, https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1058930958462726144 02:57 -!- cerulean_syzygy [~cerulean_@194.171.193.246] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:05 < archels> NULL doesn't really seem like a mistake to me, but then I am an embedded developer who loves his C pointer arithmetic 03:06 -!- cerulean_syzygy [~cerulean_@194.171.193.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:09 < jrayhawk> "My goal was to ensure that all use of references should be absolutely safe, with checking performed automatically by the compiler. But I couldn't resist the temptation to put in a null reference, simply because it was so easy to implement." - Hoare 03:09 < jrayhawk> i.e. "Maybe an X" and "Definitely an X" should be type-checked differently, and the failure to do so is an anti-pattern copied by several subsequent languages 03:11 < archels> checking to make sure all references are valid at all times just doesn't really fit with C's laissez-faire model of memory management 03:12 < archels> anyway, don't want to rehash the whole pro/con NULL refs discussion here, fun as it might be :) 03:27 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:36 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:36 -!- Phil [uid148871@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-defgqchnhysnwwti] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:48 < jrayhawk> okay, well, add "unsafe" to the list of things that should be treated differently, then 03:48 < jrayhawk> i am not really going to object to that 03:49 < jrayhawk> i am all for having options 03:52 -!- cerulean_syzygy [~cerulean_@194.171.193.246] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:53 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:57 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:59 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:06 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:07 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:12 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:48 -!- l_wl [~l_wl@pool-173-66-183-216.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:48 -!- cerulean_syzygy [~cerulean_@194.171.193.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:01 -!- justanotheruser 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buzzwords. There's nothing special. In all cases a simple meandering line is better. 17:19 < kanzure> s/interrupt/disrupt 17:20 < superkuh> I'm only objecting to "fractal" as if it matters in antenna design. 17:20 < kanzure> s/disrupt/corrupt 17:20 < superkuh> Also, I don't believe. 17:20 < superkuh> Because it's still be so, so, electrically small. 17:20 < superkuh> The capacitive impedance would be near infinite. 17:20 < superkuh> No, this is really silly. 17:21 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:32 < superkuh> It's disturbing to think most of the posters on HN are this ignorant in other threads. 17:32 < superkuh> And I just don't notice. 17:37 -!- Oskool [~Oskool@192.211.24.131] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:44 -!- Oskool [~Oskool@192.211.24.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:47 < mrdata__> a koch curve is a simple meandering line 17:47 < mrdata__> but is also a fractal 17:48 < mrdata__> the idea behind fractal antennas is to have wide band response 17:48 < mrdata__> and these do work 17:50 -!- cerulean_syzygy [~cerulean_@5072B3C6.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:50 < mrdata__> http://ecademy.agnesscott.edu/~lriddle/ifs/kcurve/kcurve.htm 18:21 < superkuh> Fractal does nothing to increase the bandwidth. 18:21 < superkuh> The only thing that increases the bandwidth is having equal areas of conductor and dielectric that are symmetric. 18:22 < superkuh> Fractals happen to satisfy that. 18:22 < superkuh> Self-complementary = wideband 180 ohm response 18:36 < adlai> kanzure: what does the perihelion of mercury have to do with intelligence? 18:50 < kanzure> who? 18:51 * adlai is just kicking back at that early/2018/09/13/415729 nonsense from biorxiv 19:16 -!- Gurkenglas [~Gurkengla@unaffiliated/gurkenglas] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:24 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qroqjospgtqjvbrp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:36 -!- Phil 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