--- Log opened Sat Jan 12 00:00:18 2019
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01:31 < archels> oh geez, we just keep making the same mistake over and over again
01:31 < archels> GPS "week" field is 10 bits and will roll over soon
01:54 < mrdata||> doh
01:54 < mrdata||> thats only 19 ish years
01:55 < mrdata||> absolutely nuts
01:55 < mrdata||> you'd better go out and fix it, dave
01:57 < mrdata||> archels, now just a cotton-pickin minute
01:58 < mrdata||> this means it already rolled over, some time in 1999?
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05:32 < kanzure> .title https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/01/science/watson-dna-genetics-race.html
05:32 < yoleaux> James Watson Had a Chance to Salvage His Reputation on Race. He Made Things Worse. - The New York Times
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05:34 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/antonioregalado/status/1083752014167900166
05:34 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry: that command is a web-service, but its response was too long.
05:34 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/antonioregalado/status/1083753391111786498
05:34 < yoleaux> New: He Jiankui CRISPR study listing is back and labelled withdrawn. Added comment: "Been withdrawn with reason of original applicants cannot provide individual participants data for reviewing Safety and validity evaluation of HIV immune gene CCR5 gene editing in human embryos" https://twitter.com/antonioregalado/status/1083752014167900166 (@antonioregalado)
05:34 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/antonioregalado/status/1083752014167900166
05:34 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry: that command is a web-service, but its response was too long.
05:34 < kanzure> hmph
05:35 < kanzure> https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/612744/congress-is-going-to-renew-its-ban-on-creating-crispr-babies-in-the-us/
05:35 < fenn> if they ever pass a budget
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06:00 < fenn> this is what NY times claims is james watson's remarks being used "to supporting white supremacist views":
06:00 < fenn> .tw https://mobile.twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1066571471823093760
06:00 < yoleaux> @suffolkbiker31 Watson was destroyed by the media for an offhand - and factual - comment on race and IQ. Watson’s cancer research was crippled. As a cancer survivor, that pisses me off no end. Screw the mafia media. Speak the truth. (@StefanMolyneux, in reply to tw:1066570672569282560)
06:01 < fenn> er,
06:01 < fenn> .tw https://mobile.twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1066564950833815552?p=v
06:01 < yoleaux> Och, A cannae finde nae tweet
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06:01 < fenn> "Our brain is our most expensive organ, using 20% of our total energy - the belief that it has been magically excluded from all evolutionary pressures between races is beyond delusional."
06:02 < kanzure> any ideas why lebzil can't send to the channel?
06:02 < fenn> probably same as shmeebegek or whatever
06:02 < fenn> both are connecting from freenode's web interface
06:02 < fenn> can lebzil send to other channels?
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06:06 < lebzil> test
06:07 < lebzil> fenn could you re-send the messages from just before i joined?
06:07 < fenn> this is what NY times claims is james watson's remarks being used "to supporting white supremacist views":
06:08 < fenn> .tw https://mobile.twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1066564950833815552?p=v
06:08 < yoleaux> Och, A cannae finde nae tweet
06:08 < fenn> .tw https://mobile.twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1066571471823093760
06:08 < yoleaux> @suffolkbiker31 Watson was destroyed by the media for an offhand - and factual - comment on race and IQ. Watson’s cancer research was crippled. As a cancer survivor, that pisses me off no end. Screw the mafia media. Speak the truth. (@StefanMolyneux, in reply to tw:1066570672569282560)
06:08 < fenn> kanzure: was there some overly broad ban set?
06:09 <@kanzure> +q $~a was set
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06:14 < lebzil> thanks fenn
06:19 < fenn> "You sell a worldview where everyone belongs in their station, permanently. You sell a worldview where compassion is unnecessary because certain people aren’t capable of redemption. You sell a worldview that strips people of free will and enslaved them to genes."
06:20 < fenn> this was directed at stefan molyneux but could be equally directed at various bio-ethicists
06:21 < fenn> those who would seek to limit genetic engineering
06:21 < fenn> or ban it entirely
06:22 < fenn> see, i can quote out of context too
06:25 < lebzil> if there are differences then genetic engineering would offer a possible solution to these disparities.
06:28 < lebzil> but by recognizing that they would have to stop playing the race card, which currently everyone is deathly afraid of
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06:36 < lebzil> take away the power of calling some racist, they won't be able to use it as effectively
06:39 < fenn> well it is already illegal to do IQ testing of employees, and presumably it will still be illegal once humans with IQ-increasing gene combinations are born, but for different reasons...
06:39 < fenn> (it will be perceived as racism against the baseline humans)
06:40 < fenn> or whatever you call discrimination for/against genetically modified humans
06:42 < lebzil> but they already do proxies for intelligence, SAT scores, GPAs, coding challenges, writing samples, whatever... and the military outright does iq testing
06:44 < lebzil> discrimination law, I agree, will continue to get worse
06:45 < lebzil> it is something that is hard to prove, so they will place the burden of proof on the employer
06:46 < fenn> i just hope the work religion all goes away and we have a good basic income supplied by robots
06:46 < kanzure> robots can't be capitalist?
06:47 < fenn> no little bobby, robot santa claus is real
06:47 < lebzil> a third party company could make recommendations for firing, to reduce liability of the employer, where employee names and gender info and race info would be masked
06:48 < fenn> my beef is with the requirement to work in exchange for food, shelter, and medical care, when industrial and agricultural technology has long since surpassed the point of providing the needs of everyone
06:48 < lebzil> maybe robots will one day do most of the work, and humans will only have to work a few hours a week
06:49 < fenn> capitalism can still exist in a world where peoples' basic needs are met as a matter of course
06:49 < lebzil> everyone in the world or in the united states?
06:50 < fenn> let's start with something small and work out the bugs
06:50 < lebzil> capitalism can lift everyones standard of living, that is why children in the US don't have to go to work anymore
06:51 < fenn> the experimental community has to be a place with a very restricted immigration policy already in place, like antarctica
06:51 < kanzure> jobs4kids
06:51 < lebzil> children would have to go back to work if we become a very poor country again.  haha
06:52 < fenn> better than prison
06:52 < lebzil> who would give away the products of their labor for free? or would this be by force
06:52 < fenn> the robots that were developed with technology derived from federal research grants
06:53 < fenn> this is all laid out in "peoples' capitalism" by james albus, who used to head the intelligent systemd division at NIST
06:53 < fenn> systemd eating everything again
06:53 < fenn> NIST started the self-driving car thing
06:54 < kanzure> NIST had a systemd division?
06:54 < kanzure> .wik systemd
06:54 < yoleaux> "" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd
06:54 < kanzure> oh come on
06:54 < fenn> no it was a typo
06:55 < lebzil> the government funds this robot project by stealing from people
06:56 < kanzure> if the government stole from people to make a santa claus machine that would probably be okay, but they don't
06:56 < kanzure> .wik santa claus machine
06:56 < yoleaux> "A Santa Claus machine, named after the folkloric Santa Claus, is a hypothetical machine that is capable of creating any required object or structure out of any given material." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_claus_machine
06:56 < lebzil> people's capitalism.  makes capitalism sound bad
06:58 < fenn> lebzil: the government already funds this sort of thing by stealing from the people, only the results become private property and then sold back to the people
06:59 < fenn> .wik bayh-dole act
06:59 < yoleaux> "The Bayh–Dole Act or Patent and Trademark Law Amendments Act (Pub. L. 96-517, December 12, 1980) is  United States legislation dealing with intellectual property arising from federal government-funded research. Sponsored by two senators, Birch Bayh of Indiana and Bob Dole of Kansas, the Act was adopted in 1980, is codified at 94 Stat." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayh-Dole_Act
06:59 < lebzil> sure, the lines are blurred because we don't really have capitalism, we have crony capitalism
07:01 < fenn> investors haven't been willing to make long term strategic investments for a long time
07:01 < fenn> the only one doing this sort of investment is governments and fringe nonprofit organizations
07:01 < kanzure> long-term investments are not generally competitive with short-term investments
07:02 < fenn> ... on a short timescale
07:02 < kanzure> except maybe some sort of long-term investment FOMO insurance scheme..
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08:06 < kanzure> .wik ergodox
08:06 < yoleaux> kanzure: Sorry, I couldn't find article.
08:08 < fenn> .g dactyl keyboard
08:08 < yoleaux> https://github.com/adereth/dactyl-keyboard
08:08 < fenn> how come my 3d prints never look that good
08:09 < fenn> oh they are aftermarket key caps
08:12 < kanzure> .wik RCAN1
08:12 < yoleaux> "Down syndrome critical region gene 1, also known as DSCR1, is a protein that in humans is encoded by the DSCR1 gene." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCAN1
08:12 < kanzure> "Regulator of Calcineurin 1 helps coordinate whole‐body metabolism and thermogenesis" http://embor.embopress.org/content/19/12/e44706
08:14 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=ee5542c9 Bryan Bishop: add slides >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/tokyo-2018/edgedevplusplus/overview-bitcoin-core-architecture/
08:14 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=2ee44356 Bryan Bishop: add RCAN1 >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/
08:16 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=63a47a95 Bryan Bishop: more anti-obesity >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/genetic-modifications/
08:18 < kanzure> founders fund did a podcast with gabriel https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gabriel-licina-biohackers/id1123461944?i=1000427365521&mt=2
08:20 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/antonioregalado/status/1082694162758152193
08:20 < yoleaux> There is a story circulating about the "death penalty" for China's crisprbabies researcher JK He. There is no factual basis to it. Dr. He says via email he's "doing fine" (thread) (@antonioregalado)
08:22 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/antonioregalado/status/1082363787469045760
08:22 < yoleaux> Just did some researcher on hot chilis and found a 1982 paper which empirically established the lethal dose of TABASCO® in rats . It would translate to a person consuming 23 2-oz bottles. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=10.3109%2F01480548209017772 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwVUDfzXQAEWnbU.jpg (@antonioregalado)
08:22 < kanzure> alrighty then
08:23 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/1084122180064038913
08:23 < yoleaux> Cost of DIY synthesis of insulin is probably less than this. https://twitter.com/JaredKaufman3/status/1083885636979965952 (@kanzure)
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08:43 < kanzure> "Fundamental bounds on learning performance in neural circuits" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/12/31/508994
08:44 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_does_one_patch_KDE2_under_FreeBSD%3F
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13:45 < kanzure> https://github.com/transatomic/reactor/
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18:07 < nmz787> can we crispr babies while the govt is shutdown?
18:13 < kanzure> sure
18:16 < kanzure> louise brown advertises herself as the first test tube baby https://www.louisejoybrown.com/
18:16 < kanzure> so i guess she gets those speaker fees... can't be all that bad.
18:17 < kanzure> who the hell puts their baby photos up on their website?
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