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02:22 < ebowden> Found another anti-transhumanist meme. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392484867188850691/556998352579854359/nz8845ah4h721.png
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10:07 < kanzure> https://stopdesignerbabies.org/
10:08 < kanzure> .wik werner neuhausser
10:08 < yoleaux> "David J. Julius (born November 4, 1955) is an American physiologist known for his work on molecular mechanisms underlying detection of thermal stimuli and natural products. He is a professor at the University of California, San Francisco, and won the 2010 Shaw Prize in life science and medicine." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Julius
10:08 < kanzure> “We as a species need to maintain the flexibility to face future threats, to take control of our heredity”
10:10 < kanzure> "Legal bans are useless and will just create a black market. This is an argument for legalising murder." alrighty, so these people are morons... got it.
10:27 < mnemon> it's pretty funny how they argue that GM leads to eugenics and promote screening eggs/sperm or using donated ones.
10:52 < FourFire> genetic engineering will surely increase diversity, not reduce it?
10:52 < FourFire> "human too dumb to make decision, keep technology away from human"
10:53 < mnemon> FourFire: only eliminating genetic diseases would seem to reduce it.
10:55 < archels> the hubris in thinking you could stop this thing
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11:03 < FourFire> if you're worried about society being destabilized by technology, then you're only going to make upheaval caused worse by restricting access to knowledge about the technology
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14:36 < von-strauss> hi
14:51 < darsie> .
14:52 < von-strauss> hi darsie
14:52 < darsie> .
14:56 < fenn> scott gottlieb stepped down as FDA commissioner
14:59 < von-strauss> what up fenn
15:00 < fenn> surviving
15:00 < fenn> von-strauss: are you a steampunk mad scientist?
15:00 < von-strauss> im interested in treating cognitive dysfunction
15:01 < fenn> where do i sign up
15:01 < von-strauss> my stack now is just melatonin + cardio + caffeine
15:02 < fenn> oh, you mean, you want to learn about how to treat cognitive dysfunction
15:02 < von-strauss> yes
15:03 < von-strauss> im interested in cognitive augmentation and the treatment of dysfunction
15:06 < fenn> that's pretty broad
15:07 < von-strauss> it's more specific than, say, "i'm a health enthusiast"
15:07 < nsh> does melatonin help cognitive function outside of modulating sleep?
15:07 < nsh> why not augment the dysfunction until it wraps around to being function again
15:07 < nsh> (jest)
15:07 < nsh> (mostly)
15:08 < von-strauss> i don't know, but does it matter? if you're not sleeping well enough already it's the same thing
15:08 < nsh> oh sure
15:08 < nsh> i was just wondering if there were other mechanisms of operation
15:08 < von-strauss> things like semax and such
15:08 < von-strauss> for me that's an afterthought
15:08 < nsh> US drug tradenames mean nothing ot me (UK person)
15:08 < nsh> except the ones so common i can't evade them
15:08 < von-strauss> it's russian
15:09 < nsh> ah
15:09 < von-strauss> and moreover not a trade name
15:09 < nsh> L-Methionyl-L-α-glutamylhistidyl-L-phenylalanyl-L-prolylglycyl-L-proline, (Pro8,Gly9,Pro10)ACTH-(4-10)
15:09 < nsh> yeah i'd shorten that too tbh
15:09 < nsh> most two syllable names ending in x were invented by trademark/marketing/branding people though
15:09 < nsh> so easy mistake to make
15:09 < fenn> it's only 7 letters long
15:09 < von-strauss> it's very understandable
15:09 < von-strauss> what's your background?
15:09 < nsh> shady
15:10 < nsh> (physics/compsci/elec.engineering/crime)
15:10 < fenn> crimethinc :D
15:10  * nsh smiles
15:10 < von-strauss> im a compsci major
15:10 < nsh> neat
15:10 < von-strauss> operating systems class sucks
15:10  * nsh nods
15:10 < nsh> worth graspign though, probably
15:11 < nsh> even the bits that are largely obsolete
15:11 < nsh> nothign really disappears
15:11 < nsh> it just reappears in embedded form
15:11 < nsh> or so
15:11 < nsh> what's the most sucky bit?
15:11 < nsh> memory management? architecture? buses?
15:11 < von-strauss> the most sucky bit is that it's both difficult and uninteresting
15:11 < nsh> ah right
15:11 < von-strauss> i don't care how OS performs the balancing act
15:11 < von-strauss> of allocating memory to different threads
15:12 < nsh> abstraction is nice
15:12 < nsh> until it fails you
15:12 < nsh> then you find suddently you need to know why
15:12 < von-strauss> i'd rather take a neuroscience elective
15:12 < nsh> and then it's nice to be able to peer past the abstraction
15:12 < von-strauss> or something
15:12  * nsh nods
15:12 < von-strauss> my favorite courses are theory of computation and lisp/ocaml class
15:12 < nsh> use bioimplants to trade exam-sittings with someone who doesn't wanna do their neuroscience non-elective
15:12 < von-strauss> to put into perspective my real interests
15:12 < nsh> (don't actually cheat on my advice; that would be bad for my merit/conscience)
15:13 < nsh> lisp is great, i hear
15:13 < von-strauss> lisp is programming programs to program
15:13 < nsh> for nitty gritty computational theory stuff
15:13 < von-strauss> only it's not statically typed
15:13 < von-strauss> which is dangerous
15:13 < nsh> Curry-Howard, proof theory
15:13 < nsh> functional zen
15:13 < von-strauss> most automated proofs are done in ML-esque code now
15:13 < von-strauss> coq, ocaml
15:13  * nsh nods
15:13 < nsh> people i know talk about scheme a lot
15:14 < nsh> even sometimes Forth
15:14 < von-strauss> which are statically typed
15:14 < von-strauss> scheme is old
15:14 < von-strauss> a lisp
15:14 < von-strauss> it's nice
15:14  * nsh nods
15:17 < fenn> substances i know about for repairing brain stuff, in no particular order: magnesium threonate, fish oil, choline, phosphatidyl serine, lion's mane mushroom, propylene glycol
15:19 < von-strauss> nsh, what are you into
15:20 < nsh> varies heavily depending on the week
15:21 < fenn> a variety of mental illnesses are a result of inflammation and quinolinic acid. changing one's diet is a way to reduce inflammation. NMDA antagonists may be a way to deal with quinolinic acid
15:21 < nsh> lately a lot of maths and physics and quantum computing and esoteric meditative practices
15:21 < nsh> sometimes infosec cryptography and related
15:21 < nsh> sometimes politics
15:23 < von-strauss> what's your educational background?
15:25 < nsh> lacking
15:26 < nsh> i started three degrees
15:26 < nsh> did not progress to completing any degrees :)
15:27 < nsh> things i have been interested in [had as an open tab at 4AM or 6PM] over the last month of so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d2cnshKwJR/
15:27 < nsh> if you see anything personal or criminal or otherwise that think you shouldn't see then ignore it
15:27 < nsh> it will not being you good luck
15:28 < nsh> neither especially will reading large amounts of it in vain attempts to fathom the universe :)
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15:30 < nsh> i should write a filter for sharing these saved tabs that's more thorough really
15:30 < nsh> or not share them, but it's mostly harmless
15:31 < nsh> can you grep -vA 2, i suppose so
15:31 < nsh> derp
15:40 < TMA> ah, about:sessionrestore is my long term favourite too
15:40 < TMA> nsh: what did you use to extract this information from a presumably running firefox?
15:44 < nsh> xeb@moonbase:~/archive/ff-daily-places-backup$ cat ~/bin/ffot
15:44 < nsh> #!/bin/bash
15:44 < nsh> xeb@moonbase:~/archive/ff-daily-places-backup$ cat ~/bin/opentabs
15:44 < nsh> #!/bin/bash
15:44 < nsh> argh
15:44 < nsh> ./usr/local/bin/dejsonlz4 /home/xeb/.mozilla/firefox/p5txm0fk.default/sessionstore-backups/recovery.jsonlz4 | jq -c '.windows[].tabs[] | "\(.entries[-1].url)  ----  \(.entries[-1].title)"' | sed -e 's/---/\n\t/g;s/^"/\n/;s/"$/\n/'
15:44 < nsh> why the fuck doesn't hexchat assume in a multiline paste that lines starting with / are not commands but part of the paste
15:44 < nsh> that's annoying
15:45 < nsh> .g dejsonlz4 github
15:45 < yoleaux> https://github.com/avih/dejsonlz4
15:45 < nsh> --
15:45 < nsh> xeb@moonbase:~/archive/ff-daily-places-backup$ cat ~/bin/ffot
15:45 < nsh> #!/bin/bash
15:45 < nsh> /home/xeb/bin/opentabs | tee /home/xeb/archive/ff-daily-places-backup/open-tabs-$(date +"%Y_%m_%d_%I_%M_%p").txt
15:45 < nsh> xeb@moonbase:~/archive/ff-daily-places-backup$ cat ~/bin/opentabs
15:45 < nsh> #!/bin/bash
15:45 < nsh> /usr/local/bin/dejsonlz4 /home/xeb/.mozilla/firefox/p5txm0fk.default/sessionstore-backups/recovery.jsonlz4 | jq -c '.windows[].tabs[] | "\(.entries[-1].url)  ----  \(.entries[-1].title)"' | sed -e 's/---/\n\t/g;s/^"/\n/;s/"$/\n/'
15:45 < nsh> --
15:46 < nsh> (unpacks the firefox json for tab recovery and parses the json with jq to extract url and title and puts into two consecutive lines)
15:47 < nsh> i also have a more complex python script that uses sqlite to grab the moz.places table daily
15:47 < nsh> but that's a bit more annoying to look at
15:53 < TMA> thank you very much
15:54 < nsh> np
15:55 < TMA> you saved me a lot of poking around
15:56 < nsh> :)
16:00 < TMA> quick reality check with US persons owning shares in publicly traded corporations: do you vote on shareholder meetings? do you receive means to do so?
16:02 < fenn> no, yes sometimes (i personally don't own stock but i've seen the letters go straight in the bin)
16:03 < fenn> on a divisive issue you will get two letters, each one making it easy to vote for one side or the other
16:03 < TMA> for the record: here in .cz you need to attend the meeting in person to vote or give some form of power of attorney to someone; you receive the invitation by mail
16:13 < TMA> for the american stock I did not receive any materials
16:14 < TMA> for the austrian stock I have learned that I am unable to vote, because of the way the stock is registered. they were however willing to provide me with a nonvoting admission ticket to visit the shareholder meeting, which I declined
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18:05 < von-strauss>  hi
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19:17 < kanzure> oh the von neumann quote came from stephen hsu (genomic prediction inc) http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2012/03/only-he-was-fully-awake.html
19:18 < kanzure> stephen hsu spotted with feynman https://twitter.com/hsu_steve/status/813193642508550144
19:19 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/1098957028817584128
19:19 < yoleaux> @antonioregalado Everyone should be very focused on this concept: "My current estimate is that 100-200 common mutations (affecting only a small subset of the thousands of loci that influence intelligence) are what separate an ordinary person from a von Neumann." http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2012/03/only-he-was-fully-awake.html (@kanzure, in reply to tw:1098955333928738822)
19:21 < von-strauss> hi kanzure
19:25 < kanzure> be greeted
19:29 < von-strauss> it is so
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20:41 < nmz787_> nsh: I
20:42 < nmz787_> nsh: I've been working on making micro/nano prayer wheel stuff lately, well really just the text itself
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21:38 < fenn> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97t7Xj_iBv0
21:38 < yoleaux> Why Machines That Bend Are Better - YouTube
21:38 < fenn> flexures and compliant mechanisms
21:45 < nmz787_> wtf, why can't I find that video/gif featured in a journal that was something like a croissant being baked and xray tomography imaging?
21:52 < nmz787_> seriously, am I skipping between parallel universes or does Google really just suck more and more
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22:01 < nmz787_> :(
22:01 < nmz787_> ok, maybe it was just a pastry, maybe it wasn't tomography/CT and instead was MRI... still can't find it
22:08 < nmz787_> alright twitter, thankfully I retweeted this https://physicstoday.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/PT.3.3828
22:08 < nmz787_> .title
22:09 < nmz787_> oh, no, that was something in the tweet (https://twitter.com/jesswade/status/948822547398823937)
22:09 < nmz787_> .tw
22:09 < yoleaux> 👋🏽 Good morning: 🥐-ology: “electron microscopy reveals that in roll-in fats, the crystal clusters are organized into an ordered, layered network..” 😊 https://twitter.com/physicstoday/status/948679667590008832 (@jesswade)
22:19 < nmz787_> this was the video I was after https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weS1yfEgIIY
22:19 < nmz787_> .title
22:19 < yoleaux> Fruit Cakes Structure - YouTube
22:23 < nmz787_> ok I was right, it was tomography "See inside a cake while it bakes @campdenbri CT scanning can assess different ingredients, processes and faults during baking"
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