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00:35 < nmz787> is felisroboticus (Anne Corwin) in here? this says she has something to do with "Humanity Plus" https://ieet.org/index.php/IEET2/bio/corwin/
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01:25 < nmz787> "*To make a commercial product* (which is a central issue in all of our lighting pages) inventors and engineers have to design a system that is RELIABLE. While scientists can do experiments and observations with handmade prototypes, it is up to the engineer to labor over ways to make a lamp useful (in other words reliable and easy to use/maintain) to the masses . *This is difference between
01:25 < nmz787> scientists and engineers.*"
01:26 < nmz787> from http://edisontechcenter.org/ArcLamps.html
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06:31 < kanzure> nmz787: ieet.org is from james hughes, who used to run the world transhumanist association. there are many people on that site that are peripherally involved in the transhumanist non-profits (none of which really do any technology development work).
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11:14 < kanzure> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/nobel-prize-winner-david-baltimore-crispr-babies-ban
11:30 < fenn> "A Nobel Prize winner argues banning CRISPR babies won’t work"
11:32 < kanzure> it's astonishing how quick these "professionals" are to recommend global surveillance of genomes as a "solution"
11:32 < kanzure> without even a mention of privacy implications
11:32 < kanzure> or misuse of surveillance measures (you might trust current political incumbent not to abuse a system, but what about their successors indefinitely?)
11:32 < fenn> wow really? that's crazy
11:32 < kanzure> yeah that's what the WHO panel of bioethicists came up with
11:32 < fenn> how would you even know a genome is edited anyway?
11:33 < kanzure> a global registry of gene editing, enforced by academic journals refusing to publish a paper unless the scientists register the children with the registry
11:33 < fenn> "your baby is suspiciously handsome and athletic, i'm calling the police"
11:33 < kanzure> (that was their proposal, not my guesstimation)
11:34 < fenn> i thought the registry was for scientists, not children
11:35 < kanzure> it's probably per project and would probably require details about the people involved in the experiment or project
11:38 < nmz787> kanzure: well that woman seemed to post on a website asking about a microscope power supply and did some legwork reverse engineering it... when I looked her up and saw that mention of hplus, so it seems like maybe she's a bit more technically involved, but who knows
11:47 < adlai> "my baby is allergic to your baby, please don't send it to school anymore"
11:48 < adlai> let's start with goverment officials submitting sperm samples and/or cheek swabs every time they want to speak in parliament, and a plasma donation (cells optional) when they want to bid upon reelection.
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17:02 < kanzure> hmph
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