--- Log opened Fri Aug 02 00:00:27 2019 00:51 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:49 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:23 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:38 -!- traumschule [~traumschu@mehl.schokokeks.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06 -!- TC [~talinck@98.29.27.253] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:07 -!- TC is now known as Guest28413 03:11 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@98.29.27.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:26 -!- justan0theruser [justanothe@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:29 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:41 -!- priontology [~scionce@63.228.208.98] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:17 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-shkpxnrkruuvyprs] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:29 < kanzure> "Babies don't feel pain: A century of denial in medicine" http://nocirc.org/symposia/second/chamberlain.html 06:00 < fenn> how did they get the idea that babies don't feel pain in the first place? 06:27 < kanzure> open heart surgery on babies without anesthetics. alright.. 06:38 < kanzure> india is asking for comments on gene editing regulations https://www.icmr.nic.in/sites/default/files/whats_new/Call_comments.pdf 06:38 -!- priontology [~scionce@63.228.208.98] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 06:39 < kanzure> not much on germline in there, nevermind 06:39 < fenn> so just the usual clusterfuck 06:40 < kanzure> shouldn't the transhumanist non-profit organizations be doing lots of write-ins about all these anti-enhancement statements everywhere? 06:40 < kanzure> or are they just conferences-only 06:41 < fenn> conferences-only 06:41 < fenn> and stunts like driving a coffin bus 06:41 < fenn> because that's a sane and normal thing to do 06:42 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/IWantToBeAGMO/status/1157201307222052864 06:42 < EmmyNoether> The time H.J. Muller pissed off Stalin by advocating “using the sperm of ‘the most transcendently superior individuals’ to impregnate the patriotic women of the socialist republic” This is when I realize I REALLY don’t understand heteros https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/freedoms-laboratory @biohackinfo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA80azQWkAEwkGr.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA80azJXUAEjSX1.jpg https://pbs.twimg.c 06:43 < kanzure> "Church, who has many CRISPR collaborations in China, finds it inconceivable that He's work surprised the Chinese government. China has 'the best surveillance system in the world,' he says. 'I conclude that they were totally aware of what he was doing at every step of the way, especially because he wasn't particularly secretive about it.'" 06:44 < kanzure> i think it's far more likely that someone he told just informed an official than it is that their surveillance system works that well 06:45 < fenn> re: stalin, lysenkoism was in vogue at the time in the soviet union, and geneticists were "people haters and fly lovers" 06:45 < fenn> i'm not sure how that would affect decisions about eugenics 06:46 < fenn> "scientific research in the field of genetics was effectively destroyed until the death of Stalin in 1953" 06:47 < fenn> so yeah, "heteros" 07:15 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:9018:9211:5c11:660b] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:32 -!- traumschule [~traumschu@mehl.schokokeks.org] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:50 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@176.221.91.9] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:55 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@176.221.91.9] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@176.221.91.9] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:15 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:9018:9211:5c11:660b] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@176.221.91.9] has quit [Quit: Quit] 08:27 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-shkpxnrkruuvyprs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:34 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-62-24-76-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:37 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:38 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e35:8ab1:dea0:f041:bb9d:6fa0:b045] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:42 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:50 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/JEOLEUROPE/status/1149307667527155714 08:50 < EmmyNoether> #ThrowbackThursday - actually we’re throwing back to 1966 with this hidden gem! The #JEOL JEM-50B 50 kV #TEM with 45 degree column, 4000x max. magnification & diffraction mode! Installed in the UK in 1966! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_MpOBgWsAAlORu.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_MpOBgWkAA12kc.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_MpOBhWsAEwwhz.jpg (@JEOLEUROPE) 09:28 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@15-24-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:30 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@15-24-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:41 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@15-24-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:47 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:9018:9211:5c11:660b] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:57 -!- drewbot [~cinch@ec2-3-95-149-12.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:02 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e35:8ab1:dea0:f041:bb9d:6fa0:b045] has quit [] 10:17 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@15-24-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77-40-158-100.customer.powertech.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:32 -!- belenvollu22953 [~belenvoll@net-188-217-169-73.cust.vodafonedsl.it] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:33 -!- belenvollu22953 [~belenvoll@net-188-217-169-73.cust.vodafonedsl.it] has left ##hplusroadmap [] 11:02 -!- Jenda` [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17 -!- Jenda` [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:36 < kanzure> more atmospheric lens stuff https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.00490 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20591231 11:36 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@22.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77-40-158-100.customer.powertech.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:54 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77-40-158-100.customer.powertech.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:55 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77-40-158-100.customer.powertech.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77-40-158-100.customer.powertech.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:05 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@77-40-158-100.customer.powertech.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:18 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:55 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@15-24-11.connect.netcom.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:31 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@15-24-11.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33 < nmz787> a friend said he'd pay at least $20 for GMO treatment to give him a prehensile penis like a dolphin... guess that's another mod to add to the list of possible gene mods 13:33 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@ti0169q161-1054.bb.online.no] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:53 < kanzure> that's like telling me to add wings to the list 14:14 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-62-24-76-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:55 < jrayhawk> good thinking 15:06 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:18 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:9018:9211:5c11:660b] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-padpameuctwixvuu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:35 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:9018:9211:5c11:660b] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:46 -!- justan0theruser is now known as justanotheruser 15:51 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@ti0169q161-1054.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Quit] 15:56 < kanzure> no wings 16:00 < Urchin> a friend said he'd pay at least $20 for GMO treatment to give him a prehensile penis like a dolphin... guess that's another mod to add to the list of possible gene mods <- I'm sure this would be popular among pilots 16:01 < Urchin> a duo of F-16 pilots wrote a song about wanting that 16:02 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:25 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27 < maaku> kanzure: Church doesn't seem that informed about how government surveilance generally works.. or he is making some weak political point 17:32 < maaku> It's all targeted. If they didn't know they weren't looking. 17:33 < maaku> Of course they're capturing everything.. but that's so they can go back and look later if they want. There's not actually someone watching everything (and AI is not far enough to do that, hype aside) 17:46 < kanzure> church wants broad reporting and transparency into what biohackers are up to 17:50 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-padpameuctwixvuu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:09 -!- justan0theruser [justanothe@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:12 -!- justanotheruser [justanothe@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:13 -!- justan0theruser is now known as justanotheruser 18:30 < maaku> Reporting requirements? wtf? That seems very anti-Church... 18:35 < fenn> i think some quotes were taken out of context and kanzure is going full paranoid 18:47 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@22.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:24 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:9018:9211:5c11:660b] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:31 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:57 < kanzure> it's in the logs somewhere 19:57 < kanzure> and i am not particularly paranoid.... 19:58 < kanzure> https://biohackinfo.com/news-george-church-biohacker-class-the-odin/ 19:58 < kanzure> "Church said that since the US government’s regulatory body the FDA has more scientists than state bureaucrats, it actually does a good job and doesn’t necessarily hinder innovation. When you think about it, Church’s conservative position on the FDA is not really surprising, as he has said many times that strict hyper-surveillance is his preferred way of regulating Synthetic Biology. ... 19:58 < kanzure> ...The patron saint of biohacking is ironically a stickler for Big Brother in science, and that is okay. Church can do no wrong." 20:01 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:16 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:01 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:11 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@cpe-76-176-31-235.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44 -!- priontology [~scionce@66.205.192.140] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:19 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:41 < nmz787> .title https://www.nist.gov/services-resources/software/cnst-nanolithography-toolbox 23:41 < EmmyNoether> CNST Nanolithography Toolbox | NIST 23:41 < nmz787> https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/121/jres.121.024.pdf 23:41 < nmz787> .title 23:41 < EmmyNoether> Sorry, page isn't HTML 23:41 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Aug 03 00:00:28 2019