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04:00  * adlai wonders whether cryonics companies have attempted lobbying for the legalization of thawing research on consenting death-row inmates
04:01 < adlai> e.g., a consenting prisoner gets frozen after sentencing, and thawed upon the scheduled day of execution.
04:02 < adlai> worst case? they didn't "serve" all that time in death row, because the freezing process actually killed them too soon... iiuc, this is not in violation of a death sentence, since the sentence is for execution, not for time spent on death row.
04:03 < adlai> arguably such a death sentence is less cruel, although quite unusual.
04:03  * adlai wonders what the texans have to say on the issue
04:11 < fenn> you'd want to observe them for brain damage for several years after thawing
04:11 < fenn> or other complications
04:12 < fenn> this would never happen in the US
04:12 < fenn> china maybe
04:16 < adlai> you'd want observation after thawing at some point, sure, although there's still value in studying the short-term consequences
04:17 < adlai> this idea is probably economically unsound, since it likely costs more to maintain the frozen prisoner than it does to feed a live one
04:18  * adlai doubts that cryonics companies have reached the levels of large-scale optimization that the prison-industrial complex has
04:28 < fenn> the point is to do research on freezing and thawing, not save money
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06:56 < docl> they would be dead 100% of the time when thawed, we don't have strong nanotech yet
06:57 < docl> or any other way to revive cryonics patients. the whole point of the process right now is waiting in a stable state for future technology
06:58 < docl> so the only use would be as a way to autopsy people who have gone through the cryonics process without having to undergo clinical death. that would be useful, but not politically viable
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07:03 < docl> death row inmates who want to donate their bodies to science could use cryopreservation as a means of dying. useful data could be collected this way. however, it would be disastrous for the public image of cryonics, given its current social stigma
07:06 < docl> a less problematic way to go would be to have patients with terminal illness who opt for assisted suicide use cryopreservation as their method of dying. still risky at the political level, but not as much, now that assisted suicide is itself getting to be less stigmatized.
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