--- Log opened Sun Aug 25 00:00:50 2019 00:16 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:17 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:17 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:38 < fenn> https://pruned.blogspot.com/2011/04/atomic-gardens.html 01:06 -!- adamsky [~adamsky3@178235181168.unknown.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:14 -!- preview_ [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:802e:c8e1:46d2:7ffa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:802e:c8e1:46d2:7ffa] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:48 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@67.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:10 -!- adamsky [~adamsky3@178235181168.unknown.vectranet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@98.29.27.253] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:17 -!- Guest60243 [~talinck@98.29.27.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:43 -!- argon [~argon@93.190.140.32] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:00 -!- argon [~argon@93.190.140.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:38 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:802e:c8e1:46d2:7ffa] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:46 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:802e:c8e1:46d2:7ffa] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:05 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:802e:c8e1:46d2:7ffa] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:33 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id= 06:33 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=08689295 Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #55 from michaelfolkson/add-elichai-turkel >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/ 06:39 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d257ff41 Bryan Bishop: add tweeter links >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/dallas-bitcoin-symposium/2019-08-16/q-a/ 07:14 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:20 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:46 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:42 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:9018:9211:5c11:660b] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:38 -!- RV [0e8ba0d6@14.139.160.214] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:39 -!- RV [0e8ba0d6@14.139.160.214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/1165664781346463745 09:47 < EmmyNoether> An interesting strategy for a bitcoin thief is to buy bitcoin & instead of stealing, they burn the victim's coins. They earn proportional to their current investment, but so does everyone else. This gives an attacker a huge anonymity set, if their other theft opsec was perfect. (@kanzure) 09:47 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/1165665127619842048 09:47 < EmmyNoether> Also: if you believe that 10% more BTC scarcity would lead to >10% market price appreciation, then it might be rational to arrange giant bitcoin suicide pacts (with all the other bitcoiners) using coinjoin to provably burn x% of coins. (@kanzure, in reply to tw:1165664781346463745) 09:47 -!- justanotheruser [justanothe@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:01 -!- justanotheruser [justanothe@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:46 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10 -!- permafleek [permafleek@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/permafleek] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:27 -!- permafleek [permafleek@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/permafleek] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:28 -!- permafleek [permafleek@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/permafleek] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:30 -!- permafleek [permafleek@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/permafleek] has quit [Client Quit] 11:36 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/1165694417858117632 11:36 < EmmyNoether> Ransomware authors can also take advantage of this scheme, hence increasing their anonymity set size. IIRC, ransomware authors deanonymized by spending habits, not by tracing the origin of the virus. https://twitter.com/gojomo/status/880040581929603072 (@kanzure, in reply to tw:1165664781346463745) 11:42 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:51 < fenn> it's not at all obvious why burning your victim's coins is useful to the thief 11:52 < kanzure> scarce supply made more scarce, in a perfectly rational market people should be monitoring the chain for burns and then update their personal pricing preferences to be higher 11:52 < kanzure> same level of demand, smaller supply. 11:52 < fenn> it's a tiny amount compared to the daily volume 11:53 < kanzure> yeah, this will probably only make a splash if it's some significant percent of the outstanding supply 11:53 < fenn> if a thief can steal a significant percent of bitcoin, the value will tank because of lack of confidence in bitcoin being a secure store of value 11:54 < kanzure> i consider burning and stealing to be somewhat different 11:54 < fenn> looks exactly the same to the victim 11:55 < kanzure> while burning does deprive you of your property and is 'theft' in some sense, it can also be a voluntary action like: if i don't burn it then the other outcome is the thief gets my money and then i'd be funding criminals so i'd rather not do that. 12:22 -!- sachy [~sachy@nat-163.starnet.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:23 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@67.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:13 -!- eb3c90 [~kvirc@host109-155-25-50.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:21 -!- eb3c90 [~kvirc@host109-155-25-50.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:20 -!- justanotheruser [justanothe@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:21 -!- justanotheruser [justanothe@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:49 -!- Dr-G [~Dr-G@unaffiliated/dr-g] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50 -!- Dr-G [~Dr-G@unaffiliated/dr-g] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:00 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:802e:c8e1:46d2:7ffa] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:18 -!- priontology [~scionce@66.205.193.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:21 -!- priontology [~scionce@66.205.192.71] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:31 < kanzure> pasky: ugh https://twitter.com/paralelni_polis/status/694284708159606784 18:09 < superkuh> The fusor.net forums have died and all the old posts and content are gone. Hopefully they can restore the database or have a backup somewhere. 18:34 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:802e:c8e1:46d2:7ffa] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:43 < streety> Is there any information other than pages not loading? 18:47 < superkuh> Sure. You can read it yourself. http://www.fusor.net/board/ 18:47 < superkuh> As for, human commenting on the problem, no. 19:07 -!- preview [~quassel@118-92-218-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:19 -!- preview [~quassel@118-92-218-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:21 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@c-24-118-172-137.hsd1.wi.comcast.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@c-24-118-172-137.hsd1.wi.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:23 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:32 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:802e:c8e1:46d2:7ffa] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:38 < kanzure> someone voluntarily tries fenn's level of lifelogging and goes insane in the process https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20797028 19:47 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:802e:c8e1:46d2:7ffa] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:47 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:802e:c8e1:46d2:7ffa] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:05 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@132.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:16 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:26 < nmz787> superkuh: wow, that sucks, I've heard a bunch of complaints about the culture there lately... 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Focus: Entropy Gives DNA a Shove 23:32 < nmz787> "The forest barrier suggests a method for sorting DNAs by size, Turner says. Brief voltage pulses should embed short molecules fully into the forest with the first blow and kick them across with subsequent ones. Longer molecules would poke in just partially before each pulse ended, only to bounce back without making headway. " 23:33 < nmz787> "Applying a voltage drew the negatively charged DNAs rapidly into the forest–at the expense of entropy. Shutting off the voltage caused any molecule with a free end to squirt back out again, as a videotape revealed. The molecules, which took tens of seconds to eject, gained speed as they exited like chains sliding off a table." 23:34 < nmz787> https://physics.aps.org/assets/851109f9-8cfe-4b67-8a6a-8fc206a2c3a2/video1.mp4 23:34 < nmz787> oh man, now I want to replicate that experiment, but like, hook up the electrodes to some cool music source 23:35 < nmz787> and if it could be based off of any random sample, like someone's spit... it could be a really cool interactive art exhibit, where someone chooses their own song and spits in the device, and makes a "unique" music video 23:36 < nmz787> .title https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.88.128103 23:37 < EmmyNoether> Phys. Rev. Lett. 88, 128103 (2002) - Confinement-Induced Entropic Recoil of Single DNA Molecules in a Nanofluidic Structure 23:37 < nmz787> .title 23:37 < EmmyNoether> Phys. Rev. Lett. 88, 128103 (2002) - Confinement-Induced Entropic Recoil of Single DNA Molecules in a Nanofluidic Structure 23:43 < nmz787> "The pillars are approximately 35 nmin diameter with center-to-center spacing of 160 nm. The largehexagonal structure is one of many ceiling supports. They arespaced such that they do not affect the confinement entropy. " 23:46 < nmz787> "The fluidic devices were manufactured using silicon nitride chemical vapor deposition and electron beam lithography using a sacrificial layer removal method which allows flexible and precise control over the interior geometry of the device [21]. Silicon nitride is transparent for visible light and allows direct visualization of fluorescent molecules through the walls of the device. " 23:47 < nmz787> https://avs.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1116/1.590419 23:47 < nmz787> .title 23:48 < nmz787> .title 23:48 < nmz787> "The height of the fluid gap between the dielectric floor and ceiling is determined by the thickness of a sacrificial layer which is removed by a wet chemical etch. This allows precise control and excellent uniformity of the gap over an entire silicon wafer. Floor-to-ceiling height control better than 5 nm has been demonstrated over a 1.5 cm device. " 23:49 < nmz787> " 23:49 < nmz787> Monolithic nanofluid sieving structures for DNA manipulation 23:49 < nmz787> " 23:49 < nmz787> "Electron beam lithography is used to define a square array of 100 nm obstructions in the sacrificial layer. Chemical vapor deposition silicon nitride is applied over the sacrificial layer. Reactive ion etching (RIE) is used to create access holes in the nitride layer, so that the sacrificial layer can be removed with a wet chemical etch. After the wet etch, the access holes are resealed with very 23:49 < nmz787> low temperature oxide (VLTO) silicon dioxide. Finally, loading widows are opened with RIE at both ends of the device so that DNA in aqueous solution can be introduced and its motion under the influence of an electric field can be observed." 23:53 < fenn> kanzure: i've literally never done any sort of pomodoro timer time management method 23:59 < fenn> agreed with the rest of the comments in the parent thread; coders should absolutely not be forced to work in an open environment with their backs to a hallway, people staring at you, etc. 23:59 < fenn> ideally you'd be in some sort of isolation tank with VR projection of what you're working on --- Log closed Mon Aug 26 00:00:51 2019