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songbird" https://science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6461/83 12:03 < superkuh> Still waiting for that one to be available through scihub. 12:05 < kanzure> i'm on an MIT network and somehow don't have access O_O 12:22 < kanzure> https://fatcat.wiki/ 12:30 < kanzure> this seems to be separate from unpaywall 12:51 < kanzure> fatcat is a 20 TB dataset 12:53 -!- luwl [~luwl@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-891C-1FF3-DD7E-C780.dyn6.twc.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:05 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:18 -!- luwl [~luwl@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-891C-1FF3-DD7E-C780.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18 -!- luwl [~luwl@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-891C-1FF3-DD7E-C780.dyn6.twc.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:33 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unvgttitqtqcvrih] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:47 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:43 -!- luwl 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16:59 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23 -!- purpleshift [purpleshif@gateway/vpn/mullvad/purpleshift] has quit [Quit: .] 17:44 -!- luwl [~luwl@cpe-2606-A000-4806-E500-891C-1FF3-DD7E-C780.dyn6.twc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:51 < lsneff> https://urbit.org/ 17:51 < lsneff> Whenever I read something about urbit, I feel like I'm reading about a weird technology from some ancient alien race that we're reverse engineering 17:57 < jrayhawk> it feels like all the stuff ethereum lied about being (distributed world computer), without any of the stuff that ethereum actually wound up being (a really shit store of value) 17:59 < jrayhawk> i do feel like identify/reputation management needs to be tied to value, though 18:00 < jrayhawk> there's just too many problems when anyone can poop on your immutable data structures for free 18:02 -!- preview 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True, but it's sort of too late to fix that. It's like expecting MS-DOS to magically morph into Unix. If you built a global namespace from scratch you would not reuse names (no mutable resources), and the namespace would be rooted in a secure identity model. 18:37 < jrayhawk> Refactoring the Web to include these points is sort of like redesigning a horse so that it's a motorcycle." 18:39 < lsneff> Yes, I agree, it's not possible to make the web that 18:40 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::2] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:42 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:43 < lsneff> golem.network looks interesting 18:47 < superkuh> The best distributed web is everyone just hosting normal websites (no fancy network stuff) from their home computers. The one thing required for this to be possible again like it was in the old days is full ipv6 support for most people. 18:49 < lsneff> I disagree, the user experience for that is pretty terrible. 18:50 < superkuh> It doesn't have to be. 18:50 < superkuh> Forwarding ports is to computers as changing a turn signal bulb is to cars. 18:51 < jrayhawk> as long as the marginal cost of bandwidth is low, centralization is almost always lower marginal cost, and thus the natural way for things to go 18:52 < lsneff> A big reason why that never took on is that people realized that having to keep your computer online 24/7 in order to receive stuff from the internet (emails, notifications, etc) is really annoying 18:52 < superkuh> Is it? Or is it just a weird habit to turn things off? 18:52 < lsneff> No, it is actually annoying 18:52 < jrayhawk> maintaining services is not free, even aside from power costs 18:53 < lsneff> I have a laptop that I carry around with me. It's not even possible for it to be online all the t ime 18:54 < lsneff> I'd actually prefer centralization within reasonable limits, but I still do want a user-driven market for compute 18:54 < lsneff> I feel like it'd be really useful 18:55 < superkuh> I guess mobile really has ruined things. 18:55 < superkuh> More than I thought. 18:55 < lsneff> Thinking about mobile as having ruined things is ruining things. 18:55 < lsneff> We can't all live in a 1985 cyberpunk utopia 18:56 < jrayhawk> i still try my best, though 18:56 < superkuh> Gotta be the change. 18:56 < jrayhawk> https://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/img/self/hackerman.jpg 18:57 < jrayhawk> https://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/img/hovel/20160926_009.jpg 18:58 < lsneff> prehistoric times 18:58 < lsneff> well, not quite 18:58 < superkuh> http://superkuh.com/photos/yesdotdotdotwires_june.jpg 18:58 < superkuh> (this was 2008) 18:58 < lsneff> That's terrifying. 18:59 < jrayhawk> that's the spirit 19:00 < lsneff> I think the drive for decentralization is harmless, but I don't think it'll ever actually be used for much 19:00 < lsneff> Aside from currency 19:00 < superkuh> Not by anyone with a profit motive, at least. 19:00 < superkuh> Or anyone that uses the word "reach" seriously. 19:00 < lsneff> "reach"? 19:00 < jrayhawk> i dunno, ActivityPub got decent buy-in from marginalized groups 19:01 < superkuh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_reach 19:01 < lsneff> Ah right 19:02 < lsneff> Unfortunately, most things are either driven by profit or profit and user experience 19:02 < superkuh> I agree. But most things don't matter. 19:02 < lsneff> That's certainly true 19:03 < lsneff> More and more these days, I find it difficult to determine what matters and what doesn't. 19:03 < superkuh> 2 things everyone can do to really save the 'net are getting ipv6 working fully and self hosting. 19:03 < superkuh> Anything requiring people other than yourself is a waste of time. 19:04 < lsneff> Well, getting ipv6 working everywhere will require forcing ISPs to get off their asses 19:04 < lsneff> which will happen eventually 19:05 < lsneff> Nothing an individual could do, aside from campaigning to get ISPs to implement ipv6, will help get ipv6 working fully 19:05 < jrayhawk> most of them already have, but "working" typically means hurricane electric and high latency 19:06 < lsneff> I'm pretty sure comcast straight up doesn't allow ipv6 19:06 < jrayhawk> comcast has the earliest and best native support 19:06 < jrayhawk> literally it is the last ISP you should be condemning 19:06 < jrayhawk> well, for that particular reason, anyway 19:07 < lsneff> I'm on comcast right now, and it doesn't support ipv6 19:09 < lsneff> At least, it doesn't work for me, and my router supports it 19:09 < jrayhawk> They did nationwide rollout in 2012. 19:10 < lsneff> Interesting 19:10 < lsneff> My network is probably misconfigured or something then 19:11 < jrayhawk> I haven't used them in the past five years; IIRC they deployed DHCP6 instead of router advertisement. 19:14 < jrayhawk> by contrast, my gigabit provider is shunting me over to fucking he.net 19:15 < lsneff> You're in the us? 19:15 < jrayhawk> yes 19:16 < lsneff> The whole isp kerfuffle in the us is absolutely terrible 19:16 < jrayhawk> at the moment all of my ipv6 traffic is getting sent through sweden (???) 19:16 < lsneff> They're all way too expensive and bad 19:16 < lsneff> Sounds about right 19:18 < jrayhawk> if i want to see the kame turtle animate, i get to load it over a 430ms route 19:22 < lsneff> "a 403ms route" is a phrase I hoped never to hear in 2019 19:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:09 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:26 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unvgttitqtqcvrih] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:28 -!- priontology [~scionce@66.205.193.158] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:46 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b00::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:12 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@190.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:58 -!- Tyson_911 [~Tyson91@106.220.211.120] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:01 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:78f5:de88:2744:caf1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:14 -!- Tyson_911 [~Tyson91@106.220.211.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:54 < nmz787> https://imgur.com/a/YQwPaMe 22:54 < nmz787> .title 22:54 < EmmyNoether> Yard Mushrooms and their spores under Focused Ion Beam microscope, with sectioning of some spores - Album on Imgur 23:08 < jrayhawk> cool 23:12 < nmz787> yeah it was a fun little project, I already had the FIB powered up and running sooo, it really only took 5 minutes to start getting images 23:14 < jrayhawk> what's the procedure for getting them out of that ancient Windows box 23:14 < nmz787> USB stick 23:14 < nmz787> actually it's Win XP, so it's not terrible 23:14 < jrayhawk> Oh, okay. 23:15 < nmz787> I am thinking I might try installing AutoHotKey to automate some clicking for movie making purposes 23:16 < nmz787> like: tilt, scan image, right-click then export, increment image filenumber, save... repeat 23:16 < nmz787> or even that without the tilt would be good 23:44 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:45 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Oct 08 00:00:35 2019