--- Log opened Mon Oct 14 00:00:40 2019 00:05 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@172.58.139.103] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:05 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@172.58.139.103] has quit [Changing host] 00:05 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:05 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:09 < nsh> 60% confident something may happen with one of these EM drives 00:09 < nsh> which requires a modification of our ideas of physics 00:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.139.103] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.139.103] has quit [Changing host] 00:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:09 < nsh> wrt to acceleration and reaction 00:09 < nsh> and fields 00:09 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09 < nsh> and possible the notion of space and time itself as they apply to the analysis 00:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.139.103] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.139.103] has quit [Changing host] 00:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:22 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@172.58.139.103] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:23 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@172.58.139.103] has quit [Changing host] 00:23 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:27 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:30 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:09 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.139.56] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.139.56] has quit [Changing host] 01:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:19 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:27 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:28 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:30 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:19 -!- juri_ [~juri@79.140.120.231] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:32 -!- Dr-G [~Dr-G@unaffiliated/dr-g] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:38 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.139.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:38 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.139.3] has quit [Changing host] 03:38 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:06 -!- adamsky [~adamsky3@178235181168.unknown.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:33 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:34 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:48 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:49 < fenn> lsneff: "goal is to use proven physics and technology" - good luck with that 04:50 < fenn> this is essentially one of those gyroscope drive thingies 04:52 < fenn> it would make for some good sci fi technobabble i guess 04:53 < fenn> if your goal is to make a photon engine (i.e. a flashlight with a payload) there are more efficient ways to do it 04:53 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:03 < nsh> people who are confident of the impossibility of things don't have a great track record of being right 05:03 < nsh> outside of mathematics 05:03 < nsh> and even then 05:03 < fenn> the premise of the paper (unstated) is bogus 05:03 < fenn> excuse me, powerpoint 05:05 < nsh> premise being? 05:05 < nsh> have you undertaken the relativistic analysis? 05:06 < fenn> that the momentum of a particle increases for collisions perpendicular to the velocity of the particle 05:06 < nsh> obviously it does 05:06 < fenn> why are you so confident? 05:06 < nsh> the component in its velocity is unchange and the component orthogonal is increased 05:06 < nsh> so the total velocity is increased 05:06 < nsh> it's maths mate 05:07 < nsh> i'm not endorsing the paper or its analysis 05:07 < nsh> i'm telling you that you are too quick to discard 05:07 < nsh> it's a bad habit 05:07 < fenn> fine 05:07 < fenn> i think the powerpoint sucks and they didn't address the actual issue at all 05:07 < kanzure> nsh when is the last time you contributed something substantive 05:07 < nsh> fair 05:07 < fenn> the rest is back of a napkin engineering 05:08 < nsh> i suppose it depends on what substantive means kanzure 05:08 < nsh> but probably never :) 05:08 < nsh> but i don't critique spuriously. there's generally a good reason and it's often a kindness 05:08 < nsh> in this case both 05:09 < nsh> this is a strange line "Helical Engine does not include LHC detectors and instrumentation" 05:09 < fenn> they're just getting a point estimate on system mass and power requirements 05:10 < nsh> sounds like they believe trust is demonstrated though 05:12 < nsh> you'd need a synchrotron to test something like this 05:16 < nsh> i imagine some better physicist will be able to show why conservation of momentum (possibly in conjunction with the EM field or vacuum) means this would not generate trust. that'd be nice to read 05:17 < nsh> but it would take more effort than reflexive dismissal :) 05:22 -!- Dr-G [~Dr-G@unaffiliated/dr-g] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:31 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:fd38:2845:cd81:1dcd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:35 -!- hehelleshin [~talinck@98.29.27.253] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:38 -!- helleshin [~talinck@98.29.27.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:55 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.137.26] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:55 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.137.26] has quit [Changing host] 05:55 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.137.26] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.137.26] has quit [Changing host] 06:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Excess Flood] 06:17 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:24 < lsneff> It's honestly surprising no one has thought about the idea before. Seems obvious that something interesting must be happening when the momentum increases like that 06:34 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:36 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:37 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:37 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:40 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:02 -!- juri_ [~juri@79.140.120.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05 -!- juri_ [~juri@205.166.94.162] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:38 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:54 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:c800:fa1d:d890:db6f] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:23 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:24 < kanzure> "Halo: Recursive proof composition without a trusted setup" https://electriccoin.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Halo.pdf 09:36 < kanzure> jrayhawk: logs have been borked a few times in a row now, how to unbork? 09:45 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:58 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:01 < jrayhawk> What happens? 10:03 < jrayhawk> Oh, I see. 10:08 < jrayhawk> i would guess this is a product of a race condition between autolog_path and the existing log configurations 10:09 < kanzure> i think it's because the user is dead 10:10 < jrayhawk> oh 10:11 < jrayhawk> how on earth did that happen 10:13 < jrayhawk> regardless, the first two lines of https://gnusha.org/~gnusha/logs/2019-10-07.log imply that two filehandles are getting opened to the same file data 10:16 < jrayhawk> which is likely to result in data loss 10:25 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:25 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has quit [Client Quit] 10:26 < jrayhawk> hmm. literally same config works on another system with a newer version of irssi, so either a protocol mismatch or a weirdly specific ban 10:27 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o kanzure] by ChanServ 10:27 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-q gnusha!*@*] by kanzure 10:28 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-n] by kanzure 10:28 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+n] by ChanServ 10:28 <@kanzure> uhrm.. 10:28 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o kanzure] by kanzure 10:28 < jrayhawk> it'd be a network-wide ban --- Log closed Mon Oct 14 10:28:50 2019 --- Log opened Mon Oct 14 10:29:03 2019 10:29 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:29 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | as investigated by the fbi weapons of mass destruction division | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | https://diyhpl.us/wiki | not quite sponsored by george church 10:29 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] [Sun Oct 6 05:50:06 2019] 10:29 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 10:29 [ abetusk ] [ dongcarl ] [ Human_G33k ] [ Madars ] [ petercommand] [ Solgriffin ] 10:29 [ adamsky ] [ Dr-G ] [ indiebio ] [ Malvolio ] [ potatope ] [ spaceangel ] 10:29 [ adlai ] [ dustinm- ] [ Jenda`_ ] [ MarkOtaris ] [ preview ] [ srk ] 10:29 [ AgenttiX ] [ EmmyNoether] [ jrayhawk ] [ mgxm ] [ priontology ] [ streety ] 10:29 [ Alchemical ] [ EnabrinTain] [ juri_ ] [ midnightmagic] [ rodarmor ] [ superkuh ] 10:29 [ andytoshi ] [ faceface ] [ justanotheruser] [ mrdata ] [ s0ph1a ] [ TheHoliestRoger] 10:29 [ archels_ ] [ fenn ] [ juul ] [ namespace ] [ sachy ] [ TMA ] 10:29 [ arisum ] [ fox2p ] [ kanzure ] [ nanotube ] [ sandeepkr_ ] [ traumschule ] 10:29 [ balrog ] [ gnusha ] [ kuldeep ] [ nickjohnson ] [ saurik ] [ Urchin ] 10:29 [ bbrittain ] [ gwillen ] [ LarchOye ] [ nmz787 ] [ SDr ] [ yashgaroth ] 10:29 [ berndj ] [ hehelleshin] [ LeoTal1 ] [ nsh ] [ sektor ] [ ybit ] 10:29 [ cannedprimates_] [ HEx1 ] [ lsneff ] [ pasky ] [ ShellcatZero] [ yorick ] 10:29 [ docl ] [ Hooloovo0 ] [ maaku ] [ pepesza ] [ sivoais ] 10:29 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 77 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 77 normal] 10:29 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010 10:29 < kanzure> uh maybe irssi config is wrong 10:29 < jrayhawk> and restarting irssi fixes it? 10:29 < jrayhawk> this is seeming very much like an irssi bug 10:30 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 54 secs 10:31 < jrayhawk> i am going to redo the autolog config --- Log closed Mon Oct 14 10:38:00 2019 --- Log opened Mon Oct 14 10:38:33 2019 10:38 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:38 -!- Topic for ##hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | as investigated by the fbi weapons of mass destruction division | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | https://diyhpl.us/wiki | not quite sponsored by george church 10:38 -!- Topic set by kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] [Sun Oct 6 05:50:06 2019] 10:38 [Users ##hplusroadmap] 10:38 [ abetusk ] [ dongcarl ] [ Human_G33k ] [ Madars ] [ petercommand] [ Solgriffin ] 10:38 [ adamsky ] [ Dr-G ] [ indiebio ] [ Malvolio ] [ potatope ] [ spaceangel ] 10:38 [ adlai ] [ dustinm- ] [ Jenda`_ ] [ MarkOtaris ] [ preview ] [ srk ] 10:38 [ AgenttiX ] [ EmmyNoether] [ jrayhawk ] [ mgxm ] [ priontology ] [ streety ] 10:38 [ Alchemical ] [ EnabrinTain] [ juri_ ] [ midnightmagic] [ rodarmor ] [ superkuh ] 10:38 [ andytoshi ] [ faceface ] [ justanotheruser] [ mrdata ] [ s0ph1a ] [ TheHoliestRoger] 10:38 [ archels_ ] [ fenn ] [ juul ] [ namespace ] [ sachy ] [ TMA ] 10:38 [ arisum ] [ fox2p ] [ kanzure ] [ nanotube ] [ sandeepkr_ ] [ traumschule ] 10:38 [ balrog ] [ gnusha ] [ kuldeep ] [ nickjohnson ] [ saurik ] [ Urchin ] 10:38 [ bbrittain ] [ gwillen ] [ LarchOye ] [ nmz787 ] [ SDr ] [ yashgaroth ] 10:38 [ berndj ] [ hehelleshin] [ LeoTal1 ] [ nsh ] [ sektor ] [ ybit ] 10:38 [ cannedprimates_] [ HEx1 ] [ lsneff ] [ pasky ] [ ShellcatZero] [ yorick ] 10:38 [ docl ] [ Hooloovo0 ] [ maaku ] [ pepesza ] [ sivoais ] 10:38 -!- Irssi: ##hplusroadmap: Total of 77 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 77 normal] 10:38 -!- Channel ##hplusroadmap created Thu Feb 25 23:40:30 2010 10:39 < jrayhawk> test 10:39 -!- Irssi: Join to ##hplusroadmap was synced in 57 secs 10:44 < kanzure> i think i need to write a script to fix the logs based on other log files 10:55 -!- Dr-G [~Dr-G@unaffiliated/dr-g] has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:55 -!- Dr-G2 [~Dr-G@unaffiliated/dr-g] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:05 < jrayhawk> well, let me know if it breaks again. i think i should migrate and upgrade this userspace anyway. 11:29 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:41 -!- priontology [~scionce@66.205.193.158] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 11:56 -!- adamsky [~adamsky3@178235181168.unknown.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:04 -!- adamsky [~adamsky3@178235181168.unknown.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:35 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49 -!- LeoTal1 [~Adium@48.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:34 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:47 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:02 < kanzure> https://blog.lukaszolejnik.com/stealing-sensitive-browser-data-with-the-w3c-ambient-light-sensor-api/ 14:15 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8JyvzU0CXU 14:15 < EmmyNoether> Starship Launch Animation - YouTube 14:36 -!- adamsky [~adamsky3@178235181168.unknown.vectranet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51 < lsneff> I wanna see that Mars reentry 14:54 < kanzure> next time 14:57 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-176-139-157.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:08 -!- priontology [~scionce@155.98.132.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:52 -!- priontology [~scionce@155.98.132.3] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 16:11 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:29 < kanzure> .wik pectinatella magnifica 16:29 < EmmyNoether> "Pectinatella magnifica, the magnificent bryozoan, is a member of the Bryozoa phylum, in the order Plumatellida. It is a colony of organisms that bind together; these colonies can sometimes be 60 centimeters (2 feet) in diameter. / These organisms can be found mostly in North [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pectinatella_magnifica 17:01 -!- clone [~dragon@d207-6-243-122.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:21 < maaku> lsneff: i see nothing wrong with the physics of your link 17:21 < maaku> sounds much less efficient than the Mach effect drives NASA is currently working on 17:22 < maaku> nsh: doesn't require new physics. it's effectively a gravitational wave emission rocket 17:23 < maaku> you can imagine putting an LED at the back of a spaceship and using the emitted photons as thrust. this is effectively the same thing. the efficiency is about what you'd imagine though. 17:23 < nsh> makes sense 17:23 < maaku> i don't see a practical use for it, other than keeping some grad students fed in pointless research grants 17:24 < nsh> people didn't see much of a point for electricity either, or a market for computers 17:24 < nsh> things get better or abandoned 17:24 < nsh> hard to say up front 17:24 < lsneff> I thought the mach effect drives were extremely speculative 17:24 < nsh> i'd say more replicably negligible 17:26 < maaku> https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2018_Phase_I_Phase_II/Mach_Effect_for_In_Space_Propulsion_Interstellar_Mission/ 17:26 < lsneff> Wait, seriously? 17:26 < kanzure> okay i literally can't do transcripts on the new thinkpad keyboard 17:26 < maaku> this one I've linked to has replicated results. not sure if it's published yet 17:26 < kanzure> this is a sad day 17:27 < kanzure> i think i have typed my last transcript 17:27 < kanzure> this piece of shit tops out at like 130 wpm 17:27 < lsneff> Well, that article is by woodward, he's been working on that for decades 17:27 < lsneff> Results have to come from somewhere else that's not biased for them to be reputable 17:27 < maaku> lsneff: not an article. it's the abstract of an update to their research grant 17:28 < lsneff> whatever you call it 17:29 < lsneff> It would be dope if it's legit though 17:29 < clone> dragon speak hands free typing 17:29 < maaku> in any case though I have a bit more knowledge about this project. they used part of the grant money to fund a lab in Germany which built a separate testing aparatus to confirm the results, which they did. they're now expanding to handle larger engines. 17:29 < lsneff> Oh, huh wow 17:29 < lsneff> I stand corrected 17:29 < lsneff> That's awesome, it'd be awesome for a reactionless space drive to exist 17:30 < maaku> lsneff: I don't know. These things are not efficient. And once you understand the physics, it's not that remarkable. I mean, I'm pretty sure it doesn't outperform an LED with some aluminum foil. 17:30 < maaku> (which is a reactionless drive!) 17:30 < lsneff> Well, photons are the reaction mass 17:30 < maaku> and in this case, gravitons 17:31 < lsneff> I suppose so, yes 17:31 < maaku> even weaker 17:32 < jrayhawk> maybe time to try to talk to the crazy asian thinkpad modders again 17:32 < maaku> nsh: I think it's great basic research, and we should be characterizing things like that. I'm just not holding my breath. 17:33 < jrayhawk> a side-by-side demonstration video might also be a useful viral anti-marketing push 17:33 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-webdopifwilmndxf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:35 < lsneff> maaku: the abstract mentions building a probe to another solar system, it would have to be more powerful than a photon drive for that 17:35 < lsneff> Ah, they're looking into increasing the thrust 17:36 < kanzure> donate me your keyboards 17:37 < kanzure> on the bluetooth keyboard i can do 155 wpm, this is infuriating 17:38 < kanzure> at least it connects to the laptop but still 17:38 < maaku> kanzure: I look forward to seeing what your hands can achieve free from typing transcripts 17:38 < kanzure> careful what you wish for 17:41 < clone> kanzure, 17:42 < clone> dragon speak hands free typing 17:42 < maaku> Meh, people are too dependent on you and your transcripts. They can use a period of withdrawal. 17:42 < clone> voice input 17:43 < clone> cant get any faster 17:43 < maaku> clone: we've looked at machine transcription. even the best don't have high enough error rates to be useful without >=1 kanzure of human supervision. 17:44 < maaku> and fwiw Mozilla's deep speech is probably better 17:44 < maaku> we're close though. throw some money at this problem and it could get solved. 17:45 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2606:6000:ca84:b300:c800:fa1d:d890:db6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:46 < clone> they had voice input when the c64 was out 17:47 < clone> if your computer that old its overdue for an update 17:47 < clone> lol 17:48 < clone> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-ab&q=dragon+speak 17:54 < kanzure> dragon can go fuck itself 17:55 < kanzure> i'm faster 17:58 < lsneff> .title https://sci-hub.tw/10.2514/6.2019-4285 17:58 < EmmyNoether> Sorry, title took too long 17:59 < lsneff> ? 18:00 < clone> do you stutter kanzure is that why you cant use dragon im sorry for you 18:08 < jrayhawk> advanced salesmanship 18:14 < kanzure> clone: http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure 18:21 < clone> whats that 18:22 < clone> the reason you stutter 18:25 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+o jrayhawk] by ChanServ 18:25 < lsneff> Whoa, that's very impressive 18:26 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [+b *!*dragon@*.bchsia.telus.net] by jrayhawk 18:27 -!- mode/##hplusroadmap [-o jrayhawk] by ChanServ 18:31 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=b5c8acf1 Bryan Bishop: transcript: austin bitcoin developers socratic seminar 3 >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/austin-bitcoin-developers/2019-10-14-socratic-seminar-3/ 20:04 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@149.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:06 -!- LeoTal1 [~Adium@221.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:08 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@149.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:18 -!- priontology [~scionce@155.98.132.5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:44 -!- LeoTal1 [~Adium@221.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 20:44 -!- LeoTal [~Adium@221.170.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:25 < maaku> lsneff: for anything that's not based on new physics (e.g. dark matter decay catalyst or somesuch), all of these drives are essentially ways of converting energy into momentum directly 21:26 < maaku> and the problem is that energy is a constrained resource. and something you take with you. 21:26 < maaku> so instead of taking loads of rocket fuel... you bring loads of reactor fuel? same problem 21:28 < maaku> you only get to significant speeds by assuming super tiny mass (e.g. MEMS piezoelectric MEGA thrusters for a 1-g starshot probe). or just punting the issue and assuming infinite supply of energy 21:28 < maaku> that's easy. i too can accelerate to relativistic speeds if I assume infinite, massless fuel 21:31 < lsneff> I remember those days when people were estimating one newton per kilowatt for the emdrive 21:32 < lsneff> My initial thought is to assume that energy is far cheaper than fuel, but you're right, it's not 21:32 < lsneff> We're still dragging around mass-energy 21:35 < lsneff> I'm still hoping that someone figures out how to run the alcubierre drive on the negative energy from the casimir effect, all these "reactionless" drives aren't that revolutionary even if they work, a warp drive would be 21:37 < maaku> casimir effect "negative energy" is only negative relative to ordinary vacuum energy. doesn't alcubierre drives actually require negative energy on an absolute scale? i don't know enough about it. 21:37 -!- clone [~dragon@d207-6-243-122.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:39 < lsneff> I don't know much either. I believe alcubierre argued in his original paper that it could theoretically run on the casimir effect 21:49 < lsneff> Apparently, there could be a way that it won't even need negative energy, but would instead generate "negative pressure" with a toroidal positive energy density? 21:52 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:52 -!- mgxm [~mgxm@unaffiliated/mgxm] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:52 < lsneff> whatever that is 21:53 -!- mgxm [~mgxm@unaffiliated/mgxm] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:17 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:34 -!- preview [~quassel@2407:7000:8423:b75:fd38:2845:cd81:1dcd] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.136.3] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.136.3] has quit [Changing host] 22:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:45 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.137.2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@172.58.137.2] has quit [Changing host] 22:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:57 -!- lawl_ [~luwl@cpe-107-15-246-163.nc.res.rr.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:01 -!- priontology [~scionce@155.98.132.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:45 -!- sektor [~sektor@95.87.234.241] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Tue Oct 15 00:00:34 2019