--- Log opened Mon Dec 02 00:00:25 2019 00:18 * nsh nods 00:34 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:35 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:20 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-proubmlzldbvbbxm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:28 -!- Codaraxis__ [Codaraxis@gateway/vpn/mullvad/codaraxis] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:32 -!- Codaraxis_ [~Codaraxis@141.98.255.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:33 < juri_> nmz787: yepyep. 02:05 -!- Guest75266 is now known as abetusk 02:22 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.6] 02:23 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-goxjflpozikkidzx] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:44 -!- adamsky [~adamsky3@178235181168.unknown.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:46 -!- adamsky [~adamsky3@178235181168.unknown.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:25 -!- purpleshift [purpleshif@gateway/vpn/mullvad/purpleshift] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:31 -!- freemint [~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:5579:9a60:54bd:c5b2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:43 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: MarkOtaris 03:49 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: nsh 03:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: MarkOtaris 03:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nsh 04:28 -!- FourFire [~FourFire@125.51-175-114.customer.lyse.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:31 < TMA> fenn: no, they are not -- the brains do not simulate other brains. the brains observe their own output based on a guessed inputs to the other brains. and they are lousy at the fidelity 04:33 < TMA> fenn: as an experiment try to match outputs of a brain of a different gender, nationality, race, cultural background, religion or some such 04:35 < TMA> or even one's own brain in a different state (like inebriated or fatigued) 05:01 < fenn> you severely misinterpreted what i meant 05:01 < fenn> the configuration of matter that is already a brain, is an energy efficient way of simulating that particular brain, and no other brain 05:02 < fenn> one could argue that it's not a simulation 05:04 < fenn> there's been far too much philosophy in these parts lately 05:21 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:22 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:23 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:41 < freemint> fenn after reading your message i read it the same way as TMA. Saying that a tennis ball is very good (and energy efficient) at simulating a tenis ball. Saying that it does kills the meaning of the word simulating. 06:00 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:05 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:16 -!- freemint [~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:5579:9a60:54bd:c5b2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:16 -!- freemint [~freemint@2001:638:904:ffe8:5579:9a60:54bd:c5b2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:19 < kanzure> somehow i don't think "liberal eugenics" as a term ever caught on https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/eugenics/ 06:42 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:43 < kanzure> apparently taleb is anti-gmo and advocates for the precautionary principle? https://arxiv.org/abs/1410.5787 06:44 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:44 < kanzure> or https://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/PrecautionaryPrinciple.html 06:53 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:00 < kanzure> https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39 07:41 < jrayhawk> https://www.jsmp.dk/posts/2019-06-16-talebiq/ 08:13 < maaku> freemint: meh, 'simulation' in engineering can definately include physical instantiation of the problem to be simulated 08:14 < maaku> it's quite common parlance. e.g. it's how Gaudi determined the arch shape for the interior design of his church, using suspended weights 08:14 < maaku> or how quantum computers were initially designed to 'simulate' quantum mechanical applications 08:16 < fenn> or the space shuttle enterprise 08:39 -!- Livestradamus [~quassel@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has quit [Quit: I'm out.] 08:39 -!- Livestradamus [~quassel@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:51 -!- fox2p [~fox2p@cpe-66-108-32-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:54 -!- fox2p 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