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08:25 < lsneff> Thoughts on the  disclosed intel roadmap? (https://www.anandtech.com/show/15217/intels-manufacturing-roadmap-from-2019-to-2029)
08:30 < jrayhawk> i can't help but notice the article contains zero mockery or scorn of intel's projections
08:31 < lsneff> Yes, interesting point.
08:31 < lsneff> Is it possible that 7nm might be easier than 10nm because now they can use EUV?
08:32 < jrayhawk> that's what intel's been claiming. believing anything out of intel after three years of fanciful lies strikes me as a bad idea, however.
08:34 < lsneff> I mean, we've seen the same kind of thing out of AMD in the past. Not with node sizes, but they claimed for a long time that the bulldozer microarch would be really good and it sucked.
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10:27 < nmz787> huh, I thought 10nm was already using EUV and that's why all the delays
10:28 < nmz787> since with EUV shot-noise becomes a significant challenge to engineer even scale-up around
10:28 < nmz787> (leading to the initial yield issues with 10nm)
10:30 < nmz787> this part of the strategy wasn't clear at all in that article though https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/programmable/heterogeneous-integration/overview.html
10:30 < nmz787> i.e. you might be shrinking the digital logic, but not the analog
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10:31 < nmz787> this seems to talk a bit more detailed about that strategy https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/processors/intels-view-of-the-chiplet-revolution
10:49 < justanotheruser> what are the odds of 1.4nm in 2029?
10:49 < justanotheruser> 10%?
10:50 < nmz787> also, smaller chips combined heterogenously should mean higher yield, since the smaller the die, the less likely a defect will ruin things
10:50 < nmz787> 2d transistors have already been demonstrated, and as stated in above articles, Intel isn't tied to any particular material
10:51 < nmz787> whatever keeps the billions rolling in
10:55 < justanotheruser> will they keep rolling in when SMIC catches up?
10:56 < justanotheruser> https://www.csis.org/analysis/chinas-pursuit-semiconductor-independence
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