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01:21 < nmz787> https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fralphmirebs.livejournal.com%2F226003.html
01:21 < nmz787> .title
01:21 < EmmyNoether> Sorry, domain is blacklisted
01:23 < nmz787> someone said it was an abandoned semiconductor factory... but I see several lights on a few pieces of equipment, and there's no dust anywhere obviously
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05:35 < abetusk> I wonder if you could use x-rays to scan a book page...maybe differentiate text from multiple pages stuck together
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05:51 < fenn> yes, and it is commonly done to preserve information from badly water damaged rare books that are too fragile to open
05:51 < fenn> the iron ink makes a great CT contrast agent
05:52 < fenn> iron tannate was a common pigment
05:52 < fenn> modern books don't use it very much anymore though; usually modern inks are based on carbon black
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05:56 < fenn> ralph mirebs does some amazing photography
05:56 < fenn> that place looks like they just ended the day shift in 1995 and closed the doors
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06:01 < kanzure> pasky: tell me why your thing is better https://github.com/axa-group/Parsr
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06:28 < fenn> http://i.imgur.com/X3MqacL.jpg
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07:16 < kanzure> "When the world needs to know" (about jianku he's data) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-019-0396-4
07:16 < kanzure> .title https://doi.org/10.1089/crispr.2018.29039.spr
07:16 < kanzure> "The paper's acknowledgments also reveal the involvement of an equine-reproduction specialist, W. R. 'Twink' Allen; Allen's former student John Zhang is head of the New Hope Fertility Center in New York, which according to a Science news report was negotiating with He to open a medical-tourism business for gene-edited babies"
07:17 < kanzure> https://store.bookbaby.com/book/the-crispr-generation
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07:28 < fenn> "the decision to re-publish chromatograms from the two embryos without re-consent ignores the privacy rights of the gene-edited baby girls"
07:29 < fenn> ummm... really
07:29 < fenn> the cat's out of the bag
07:29 < fenn> also, that's dumb
07:29 < fenn> their identities are already being kept secret
07:32 < kanzure> i think it's something like "if they do future genetic testing then the company that does the testing would be able to know by comparing to the published chromatographs"
07:32 < fenn> "the sequence of 52 bases at CCR5" is so far from a complete genome it's absurd
07:32 < fenn> if someone's PCR'ing around for that exact sequence, fine, but so what
07:35 < fenn> is this the same paper that was availble on He's website before the conference?
07:38 < fenn> i thought i had a copy of that but now i can't find it
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07:40 < kanzure> there was one from the crispr journal that was retracted (about ethics)
07:44 < fenn> no it was He's website
07:44 < fenn> i thought it was possible to use `find` with a date predicate
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07:46 < kanzure> there were these:
07:46 < kanzure> http://www.sustc-genome.org.cn/source/pdf/Informed-consent-women-English.pdf
07:46 < kanzure> http://www.sustc-genome.org.cn/source/pdf/Second-informed-consent-English.pdf
07:46 < kanzure> http://www.sustc-genome.org.cn/research.html
07:47 < kanzure> slides https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1T1zLTtHS2z_cgl29fN_7qJg7fLA4qlrd
07:47 < fenn> right
07:48 < pasky> kanzure: pretty cool tool! we'll take a closer look if we can use that for some baselines
07:48 < pasky> kanzure: our thing is not better, it's different
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07:50 < pasky> audience is not skilled developers but operators of business processes in backoffices, focuses on extraction of fields according to a fixed taxonomy rather than openended tasks, and it is customizable for a concrete document using training rather than configuration (i.e. you don't need a "data scientist" that can code)
07:52 < fenn> looks like someone had edited research.html to point to "no.pdf" which is obvously a broken link
07:55 < kanzure> http://2012.igem.org/Team:SUSTC-Shenzhen-A/Team
07:56 < kanzure> http://2012.igem.org/Team:SUSTC-Shenzhen-B/advisers
07:56 < kanzure> http://kuaibao.qq.com/s/20180828B01U3P00?refer=spider
07:58 < kanzure> "He Jiankui found a lot of "strange things" in Stanford. He Jiankui 's mentor, StephenQuake, is one of the top scientists in gene sequencing in the world, but it is strange that he is not the oldest professor in the world. The clothes are ordinary, but they are actually a billionaire who has control of three listed companies. What made He Jiankui even more surprised was that at ...
07:58 < kanzure> ...Stanford, professors "part-time" entrepreneurship outside the country were not like domestic professors, but "carefully doing sideline work", lest they damage their image of being a good teacher, but were respected by colleagues and students. Instead of obstructing the school, the school supported it. In short, at Stanford, He Jiankui's biggest gain was not knowledge, but the highest value ...
07:58 < kanzure> ...that science can bring to mankind, is industrialization."
07:59 < kanzure> "Scientists do not have to choose poverty. In Stanford, science and wealth can be integrated."
08:00 < fenn> the iGEM team is all CS and physics people
08:01 < kanzure> ""After Hanhai Gene goes public, I hope to acquire my mentor's company," he said."
08:02 < kanzure> tamas blummer is dead https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/1217464150617665538
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08:03 < fenn> who is tamas blummer
08:04 < fenn> bitcoin developer since 2012
08:05 < fenn> well i wonder how he buried his coins
08:05 < fenn> buried on a desert island, with a map marked with an X?
08:06 < kanzure> is that really the first thought you have :P
08:06 < fenn> bitcoin is all-corrupting
08:06 < kanzure> it's true...
08:07 < fenn> but seriously i've never heard of the guy so what am i supposed to say
08:07 < kanzure> i wouldn't expect you to say anything?
08:07 < kanzure> there's a few bitcoiners in here
08:07 < kanzure> i don't know, it seems useful to pass on information about deaths so that someone doesn't go looking for someone
08:20 < pasky> kanzure: also I just tried it on three random invoices we use for testing and its accuracy is hilariously bad - it basically doesn't work at all for data we process
08:32 < kanzure> ah
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10:58 < kanzure> .title https://glia.org/
10:58 < EmmyNoether> Glia
10:59 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22054163
10:59 < EmmyNoether> Glia - High-quality low-cost open source medical hardware | Hacker News
11:16 < fenn> i remember tarek loubani testing out his 3d printed tourniquets in palestine and getting a bullet through the leg for his efforts
11:17 < fenn> it's not the ideal way to test your medical hardware...
11:18 < fenn> israeli snipers were targeting doctors
11:26 < nsh> .t https://www.quantamagazine.org/neural-dendrites-reveal-their-computational-power-20200114/
11:27 < EmmyNoether> Quanta Magazine
11:27 < nsh> "The latest in a long line of evidence comes from scientists' discovery of a new type of electrical signal in the upper layers of the human cortex. Laboratory and modeling studies have already shown that tiny compartments in the dendritic arms of cortical neurons can each perform complicated operations in mathematical logic. But now it seems that individual dendritic compartments can also perform a particular computation -- "exclusive OR"
11:27 < nsh>  -- that mathematical theorists had previously categorized as unsolvable by single-neuron systems."
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11:28 < fenn> "complicated operation"
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11:29 < fenn> is a 1-bit AND gate less impressive?
11:34 < LeoTal> fenn: Yes -- AND is linearly separable (in fact, linear), XOR is not.
11:36 < fenn> here we go again with people telling me things are linear that are obviously not linear
11:38 < LeoTal> Yeah ok, Boole algebra. Well, I'll stick to "linearly separable"`.
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13:36 < kanzure> "The art, science, and engineering of fuzzing: A survey" https://arxiv.org/pdf/1812.00140.pdf
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17:19 < abetusk> http://www.ece.utep.edu/research/webfuzzy/docs/kk-thesis/kk-thesis-html/node19.html
17:19 < abetusk> I would say XOR is a simpler operation than AND as it's reversible
17:28 < abetusk> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usEqFcdrbl8
17:28 < EmmyNoether> Tarek Loubani: Gaza tourniquet: Making lifesaving medical devices under fire (15 of 19) - YouTube
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19:23 < kanzure> hmph
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