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01:23 < fenn> .title http://vimeo.com/87368134
01:23 < saxo> Vimeo / 403 Forbidden
01:24 < fenn> a hot video showing off 2013 FLIR thermal camera tech
01:28 < fenn> FLIR SC8200
03:05 < facefaceface> me agian...
03:05 < facefaceface> I'm doing a project to download PDFs from journal sites
03:05 < facefaceface> Just a toy experiment.
03:05 < facefaceface> Any tools ready made to help me do it?
03:10 < TMA> facefaceface: curl, wget
03:11 < facefaceface> TMA right
03:13 < facefaceface> curl https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-020-0581-x.pdf
03:13 < facefaceface>
03:13 < facefaceface> 303 See Other
03:13 < facefaceface>
03:13 < facefaceface> 303 See Other
03:13 < facefaceface>
openresty
03:14 < facefaceface>
03:14 < facefaceface>
03:18 < TMA> facefaceface: there's more to it than just running it and expecting it to be done; (a) most websites are broken without javascript magic (b) journal publishers in particular are actively hostile to users
03:19 < facefaceface> TMA that's why I came in to ask for tools before trying to figure it all out
03:19 < facefaceface> wget seems to follow redirects, curl not
03:20 < TMA> facefaceface: there's no easy way, I am afraid
03:20 < facefaceface> I'm sure there are ready made tools, just not easy to find
03:20 < facefaceface> e.g. banking APIs written using HTML scrappers... they exist
03:24 < facefaceface> I had the idea that those aggregating papers e.g. to read the abstracts, would have written tools that those within 'blessed' IP ranges could run.
03:34 < TMA> facefaceface: Oh I misunderstood. I thought you were after some fun tackling a project "to download" not just "to have downloaded"; that you want to write the tools that you are searching for as opposed to just using them -- but still do not want to start by writing your operating system, compiler, HTTP client and such "low-level stuff"
03:36 < facefaceface> I don't really enjoy doing things that others have done, so I try to avoid it if possible, asking experts usually helps.
03:41 < fenn> zotero
03:41 * fenn is not really here
05:23 < nmz787> facefaceface: you should just use sci-hub
05:25 < nmz787> this feels good enough to be a meme "< kanzure> learn you a biology"
05:25 < facefaceface> nmz787: right, just wondered what might be missing there
05:26 < facefaceface> I have university access for 3 more days and wanted to perform some tests
05:27 < nmz787> likely something about javascript or oauth or cookies
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06:19 < facefaceface> my curl issue?
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08:00 < kanzure> facefaceface: you forgot to set --user-agent
08:00 < kanzure> facefaceface: zotero-translation-server.git has some tools for doing this behind the scenes
08:57 < facefaceface> thanks
08:57 < facefaceface> I don't think the user agent was the issue, I guess curl doens't follow redirects by default
09:33 < facefaceface> kanzure: can you give me an example of a webpage where the server returns the pdfurl field?
09:33 < facefaceface> None of the examples I'm trying actually give that field
09:33 < facefaceface> e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-019-0575-8
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09:37 < facefaceface> or https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29285965
09:37 < facefaceface> I haven't drilled into the code, but I would expect either of those examples to return the PDF URL field
09:41 < kanzure> not sure what you're talking about
09:41 < kanzure> the meta element you want is "citation_pdf_url"
09:46 < facefaceface> (3)(+0000000): Translate: resolved to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5381037/pdf/12859_2017_Article_1613.pdf
09:46 < facefaceface> kanzure: I'm not sure either... I'll keep poking
09:54 < kanzure> before solving a problem you must first know what the problem is
09:54 < kanzure> it's like driving a car: figure out where your destination is before you start driving
09:55 < facefaceface> I've never driven like that
09:55 < facefaceface> Problem formulation, get all PDFs from all journals
09:55 < facefaceface> Refinement, get all PDFs from Nature Genetics
09:56 < facefaceface> Problem, wget --recursive isn't working for me
09:56 < facefaceface> Perhaps it IS the --user-agent as you suggested originally
09:56 < facefaceface> I can wget a specific PDF
09:57 < facefaceface> so I figured the user-agent wasn't the issue
09:58 < kanzure> meeting time #bitcoin-core-pr-reviews
10:08 < nmz787> kanzure: driving without know where you're going is called "cruising"... there are laws against that, even
10:09 < superkuh> Surely not in the USA.
10:09 < nmz787> superkuh: surely in the USA
10:09 < nmz787> Portland OR, for example
10:09 < superkuh> Cruisin' USA is/was the national pastime.
10:09 < nmz787> haha
10:11 < nmz787> superkuh: https://www.flickr.com/photos/major_clanger/181724332/
10:12 < superkuh> Cities, what a bunch of assholes.
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11:53 < lsneff> My university just went online for three weeks starting Monday.
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12:25 < kanzure> lsneff: party time
12:27 < lsneff> It's possible that I'll have a lot more free time.
14:24 < kanzure> .tw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ftvCMdtg0
14:24 < saxo> Och, A cannae finde nae tweet
14:24 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ftvCMdtg0
14:24 < saxo> New version of DIY gene therapy - YouTube
14:33 < maaku> .tw 1237795434694717440
14:33 < saxo> With 0.000001% of the funds, several grad students, and a month I think I can develop: / 1 Diagnostics for the virus that is faster and cheaper than any current / 2 Antidote that is resistant to virus mutation / 3 Vaccine that is more efficient than any current / https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-coronavirus-pandemic-global-economic-risk/ (@nanoassembly)
14:33 < maaku> 0.000001% of funds = $2.7m
14:46 < kanzure> shrug, let's see what his plan is
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15:58 < maaku> he refuses to say out of IP concerns
15:58 < maaku> so.... nevermind
15:59 < maaku> he's a recent Foresight technical award winner, so I'm reasonably confident he's not a whackjob
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16:00 < maaku> but he should expect some due diligence if he's asking for $2.7m in funding
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16:30 < lsneff> Where would you even get $2.7 million to fund him?
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17:33 < maaku> A project like that would never get funded in a lump sum.
17:34 < maaku> You'd break it down and find a minimal project that demonstrates feasibility, and leverage that to get larger funding
17:34 < maaku> A feasibility study would probably be sub-$50k
17:35 < lsneff> Ah, I see.
17:35 < maaku> But according to private DM, he seems paranoid about sharing his secret sauce
17:35 < lsneff> And then more money would likely not be hard to come by.
17:36 < maaku> Yeah, show someone (a) it works, and (b) you have the ability to execute, and money is not hard to come by
17:36 < lsneff> His thing is dna nanotech, so maybe it's some novel DNA nanomachinery that can bind to sarscov2
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18:48 < jrayhawk> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291024888_Plant_derived_antivirals_A_potential_source_of_drug_development while not as easy to {profit on, slam through regulatory approval for} as a vaccine, there are some promising chemical alternatives that have worked well on viruses using similar infection pathways (HIV, influenza, Herpes, etc.)
19:10 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=YmyXb-3br5U
19:10 < saxo> Future of Genetics | FULL DEBATE | Doha Debates - YouTube
19:29 < kanzure> .title https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoiners-are-biohacking-a-diy-coronavirus-vaccine
19:29 < saxo> Bitcoiners Are Biohacking a DIY Coronavirus Vaccine - CoinDesk
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19:40 < kanzure> "wow, when even kanzure thinks you're taking too much risk" - gwern
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19:54 < fenn> who's taking too much risk?
20:02 < kanzure> you can get sued for anything, including poor plasmid design
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