--- Log opened Mon Apr 06 00:00:44 2020 00:19 < fltrz> adlai, not sure I understand your goal, you want to find a way to technically comply while mocking the rule? 00:21 < adlai> i want an unexecuted strawman for verbal description should lack of compliance be the reason for a conversation long enough to have to explain myself 00:21 < adlai> in jargon, 'alibi' 00:21 < fltrz> you want an alibi for not wearing a mask? 00:22 < adlai> "bandana flew away in the wind because it's too slick to tie" does not fly 00:22 < fltrz> your sentences are hard to parse btw 00:22 < adlai> do we really need to have this conversation? 00:22 < fltrz> its not even clear if you are looking for a textual excuse to recount, or a physical object to drape your face with? 00:24 < adlai> neither, since our conversation (and the one with fenn) have furnished me with both 00:25 < fltrz> perhaps a gagging ball would provide an excuse for not having to explain your mask? 00:32 < TMA> there is a saying about documentation: "documentation is like sex, if it is good, it is really good, and even when it is bad it is still better than nothing" 00:34 < TMA> the same could be said about face coverings (although a face mask improvised from a single layer of a sheer curtain is probably almost indistinguishable from no face mask) 01:11 < adlai> save the single layer of curtain as a scrim for the eyeholes 01:13 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:14 < adlai> mental exercise until next the equinoctem: "How would the previous exchange have been parsed by a foreigner who learned English by reading free bitcoin trading advice" 02:04 -!- sektor [~sektor@46.252.59.175] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:21 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-155-161-135.adslplus.ch] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:28 < TMA> as the bitcoin is not free, there is no point in reading trading advice for it. conversely, if it were free, there is no point in reading the trading advice as there is no profit in trading in goods which are free 02:29 < TMA> [yes, I am deliberately misrepresenting the correct parse of the mental excercise of adlai] 02:31 * adlai should probably avoid further speech until maaku delivers on unparseable incorrectly conslang 02:43 -!- Codaraxis [Codaraxis@gateway/vpn/mullvad/codaraxis] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:22 -!- CRM114 [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:24 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:27 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:35 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:47 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:28 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-155-161-135.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 04:40 -!- CRM114 is now known as Urchin 05:01 -!- HumanGeek [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:01 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:02 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:08 < kanzure> https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/50 06:24 < adlai> why are article PDFs are more frequently begged commodity than text and pictures packaged separately ? 06:26 < kanzure> because publishers don't produce text files, they produce pdf files 06:26 < adlai> seems to me that requesting a format that is so far towards "i just want to see the printed page right away" boils down to "hello, how good are you at removing watermarks from published media?" 06:27 < adlai> every PDF i ever encountered did not need to be passed through an OCR library when i tried copying out things such as a DOI 06:28 < adlai> ... during the time when i spent more time reading recent research instead of studying, than trading advice 06:29 < adlai> i guess it's a schellingpointed format 07:17 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zztvszclvhldqetj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:57 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-155-161-135.adslplus.ch] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:19 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@172.58.19.12] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:29 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:34 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:40 -!- HEx1 [~HEx@hexwab.plus.com] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:18 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:36 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zztvszclvhldqetj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:04 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntualehihrwzjdbj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:15 -!- Codaraxis [Codaraxis@gateway/vpn/mullvad/codaraxis] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:38 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-trmjxqilxbyepihf] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:47 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:04 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-155-161-135.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 14:49 < nmz787> adlai: you must be reading pretty new papers... lots and lots of valuable information contained in journal PDFs are from scans from pre-microcomputer ages 15:00 < fltrz> nmz787, I hate those early 90s articles that were never digitized properly low res black white pixel scans with hardly legible text or figures 15:04 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:18 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=3362d513 Michael Folkson: Add James on Bitcoin Trace-Net >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/london-bitcoin-devs/2020-02-04-james-chiang-trace-net/ 15:22 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=b3227016 Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #87 from michaelfolkson/add-james-tracenets >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/ 15:27 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:56 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:10 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:12 -!- Alchemical [~al@unaffiliated/alchemical] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in] 16:13 -!- Alchemical [~al@unaffiliated/alchemical] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:27 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:38 < fenn> .tw https://twitter.com/lsparrish/status/1247283409325641729 18:38 < saxo> Anyone remember that utopian thriller Surrogates where people could walk around and do normal things without spreading the virus because they had awesome VR controlled robot bodies? (@lsparrish) 18:51 < fenn> peretz weighs in https://www.wired.com/story/to-beat-the-coronavirus-raise-an-army-of-the-recovered/ 18:51 < fenn> "I survived COVID19 and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" 18:54 < fenn> surely some asshole is already working out how to monetize this on a blockchain 19:22 < kanzure> billy gates wanted immunity certificates on a blockchain or something 19:37 < fenn> By reading this website, you agree, on behalf of your employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from any and all NON-NEGOTIATED agreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, clickwrap, browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and acceptable use policies ("BOGUS AGREEMENTS") that I have entered into with your employer, its partners, licensors, agents 19:37 < fenn> and assigns, in perpetuity, without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You further represent that you have the authority to release me from any BOGUS AGREEMENTS on behalf of your employer. 20:56 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@172.58.19.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:07 < fenn> i like this diy ventilator design https://www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Ventilator/ http://www.s-vent.life 21:08 < fenn> i wonder why it is not more common to require the use of a HEPA filter in the patient's room 21:08 < fenn> surely this is better than requiring intubation (and anesthesia and hospital acquired infections etc etc) 21:29 < fenn> the overkill version of same https://e-vent.mit.edu/ 21:48 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntualehihrwzjdbj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:51 < fltrz> so its starting to look like sars-cov-2 attacks heme for the porphyrin and ditches the iron 21:51 < fltrz> so closer to blood disease than lung disease https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF8_and_Surface_Glycoprotein_Inhibit_Heme_Metabolism_by_Binding_to_Porphyrin/11938173/files/21961434.pdf 21:52 < fltrz> not sure if it needs the porphyrin or if its just to increase breathing rate to spread its sibling viruses 23:00 < fltrz> since men have higher iron levels than women, and since men get hit harder, CoV disease is not caused by porphyrin deficiency (which body can synthesize) but iron overload. look at the symptoms ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_overload#Signs_and_symptoms 23:07 < fenn> https://bagsqueezersystem.com/overview-and-summary 23:07 < fenn> another diy ventilator 23:07 < fenn> control boards for suchlike 23:08 < fenn> fltrz bronzing would have been noticed by now 23:09 < fltrz> fenn, perhaps iron overload of the bloodstream / heart etc while the rest is not (as) affected 23:10 < fenn> i would also think iron would show up on blood tests 23:10 < fltrz> fenn, perhaps it does? 23:10 < fltrz> fenn, I am constantly reading about new signals that I would have expected to be reported on day 1 23:11 < fltrz> perhaps they are to busy treating "pneumonia" and iron concerns didn't make sense? 23:11 < fenn> i just saw one doctor ranting about how "it's really pulmonary embolisms!" 23:12 < fenn> certainly they are busy and all we have are crappy n=11 "studies" 23:12 < fltrz> fenn, where is that? 23:12 < fenn> not online 23:12 < fltrz> the embolism 23:12 < fltrz> like IRL 23:12 < fltrz> ? 23:13 < fenn> .title https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3548771 23:13 < saxo> Findings of Acute Pulmonary Embolism in COVID-19 Patients by Jianpu Chen, Xiang Wang, Shutong Zhang, Bin Liu, Xiaoqing Wu, Yanfang Wang, Xiaoqi Wang, Ming Yang, Jianqing Sun, Yuanliang Xie :: SSRN 23:14 < fenn> "if this is true, and COVID is causing death because of PE and not of pneumonias like we think, this really could be shifting the way we think and treat for COVID.you know whats also SUPER interesting about this? Those patching infiltrates we always see? maybe that's not a reactive immunological process, but actually multiple thromboses of the coronary microcirculation. that would mean things 23:14 < fenn> like azithro/chloroquine are actually the totally wrong way to approach this. instead, lyse them or give heparin. it also makes PERFECT sense for why there's so much silent hypoxia. lots of small PE's " 23:14 < archels> this conference website actually says "eurosciences" 23:14 < archels> I hope that's just a typo and not some continental chauvinism 23:15 < fenn> i do agree that treating with chloroquine once they develop breathing problems is stupid 23:20 < fltrz> https://doi.org/10.1080%2F10408399908500491 23:21 < fenn> archels: didn't you know, science is now national. also medicine is politics. "trump's drug" or "bolsonaro's drug" 23:21 < fenn> .title 23:22 < fenn> eurosciences studies the complex and inter-related behavior and output of eurons 23:23 * fenn kicks the doi server 23:25 < archels> haha 23:25 < fenn> "The focus of this review is on the effects of iron deficiency on metabolic rate and thermoregulation." --- Log closed Tue Apr 07 00:00:45 2020