--- Log opened Thu Apr 30 00:00:08 2020 00:11 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:5d17:dfd5:86c9:227] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:41 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:50 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:04 < juri_> L29Ah: I'm not convinced yet. ;) 01:19 < fenn> juri i liked the demo, it was very easy to just jump right in and start playing around 01:20 < fenn> i'd like to see how you would go about making a bolt with a triangular thread form 01:22 < fenn> technically trapezoidal, since the tip of the triangle is flat 01:24 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:35 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: they're called phones in this one] 01:56 -!- MarkOtaris [mark-otari@wikimedia/Mark-Otaris] has quit [Quit: killed] 01:57 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:57 < juri_> probably with a rotate extrude of a circle with a triangle sticking out of it. 02:00 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:01 -!- turona [~quassel@2a01:c22:a415:a000:568:3604:3c14:64ec] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:02 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:03 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:03 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:03 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:10 -!- turona [~quassel@2a01:c22:a415:a000:568:3604:3c14:64ec] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:10 -!- MarkOtaris [mark-otari@wikimedia/Mark-Otaris] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:25 < adlai> nmz787: i'm uncertain as to the DSM classification, although i'd prescribe at least two of the three: "pay people to do things", "care only about what others pay you to do", and "ethics aside, ask yourself 'what would a classical psychopath do?' before planning your unpaid time" 02:29 < adlai> wolfram physics is likely to experience much friction from the sort of practical-minded scientist, as contrasted to the mystic mathematician, who intuitively understands enough mathematics to justify ignoring the entire project due to rapid symmetry breaking of the dimensions necessary for a sufficiently complex automaton 03:07 -!- N-time [~Mark@212.225.172.60] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:50 -!- N-time [~Mark@212.225.172.60] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:19 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:09 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:09 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:53 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhpryhhyiftlsuhy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:51 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:52 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:52 -!- turona [~quassel@2a01:c22:a415:a000:568:3604:3c14:64ec] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:13 -!- turona [~quassel@2a01:c22:a415:a000:568:3604:3c14:64ec] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:31 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@172.58.19.183] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:40 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/1255869238939615244 07:40 < saxo> what's the latest on (full stack) open-source secure elements? anyone writing out some verilog/VHDL/equivalent in public? (@kanzure) 08:33 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:42 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@unaffiliated/l29ah] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Disconnected: closed"] 08:44 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@unaffiliated/l29ah] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:46 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:03 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-177-23-46.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:35 -!- dongcarl [~dongcarl@unaffiliated/dongcarl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhpryhhyiftlsuhy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:20 < lsneff> .title https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-start-mass-production-5nm-chips-q2-2020/ 10:20 < saxo> Samsung to start mass production of 5nm chips in Q2 2020 - SamMobile 10:48 < L29Ah> that's 45 Si atoms wide 11:24 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:27 < lsneff> Sure, the smallest feature size yeah 11:41 < lsneff> .title https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-names-companies-to-develop-human-landers-for-artemis-moon-missions 11:41 < saxo> NASA Names Companies to Develop Human Landers for Artemis Missions | NASA 13:37 < archels> this Thinkpad keyboard is so silky smooth compared to my old laptop 13:37 -!- filipepe_ [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yroyqbgemyvvpfsr] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:39 < archels> it's pure digit ecstasy 13:53 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Hooloovo0, kanzure 13:53 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kanzure 13:54 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: nanotube 13:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Hooloovo0 13:58 -!- filipepe_ is now known as filipepe 14:09 -!- nanotube [~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:45 < jrayhawk> kanzure: not open source, but https://bluespec.com/technology/ might be of interest to you 14:46 < jrayhawk> which can basically be described as "haskell for RTL" 14:51 < jrayhawk> oh, i guess some of it is getting open sourced 14:51 < kanzure> excellent 14:51 < jrayhawk> https://bluespec.com/2020/01/06/bluespec-inc-to-open-source-its-proven-bsv-high-level-hdl-tools/ 14:51 < jrayhawk> https://github.com/B-Lang-org/bsc 14:53 < srk> and also https://github.com/sifive/Kami 14:53 < jrayhawk> oh nice 14:53 < srk> right? :) 14:54 < kanzure> are you saurik 14:54 < srk> bsc is all the hype but Kami looks even better, no fisrt-hand experience 14:54 * srk doesn't know saurik 14:56 < srk> https://clash-lang.org/ & https://github.com/adamwalker/clash-riscv/ is also quite interesting 14:56 < kanzure> cc maaku 14:56 < srk> https://github.com/mn416/blarney too 14:56 < jrayhawk> AFAIK type safety trades off against practicality, so "better" is just a different place on the pareto curve 14:57 < srk> depends :) too late to talk about that for me, heading to bed slowly but we can discuss that later 14:58 < srk> I'm all for formal verification and type safety but .. it depends on lots of things and the use case 14:58 < jrayhawk> at the very least, having options along that tradeoff is always a good thing 14:59 < srk> yup, there's no silver bullet :) 14:59 < kanzure> maybe the reason why there's no open-source secure element is because actually nobody makes any 14:59 < kanzure> or knows how to make sidechannel resistant hardware anymore 15:00 < srk> want to build one? 15:01 < kanzure> maybe 15:03 < srk> I don't quite like chips like ATECC508 exactly because they are all proprietary and docs are terrible 15:04 < srk> but it's kind-of the same situation with CPU/MCU(s) 15:05 < jrayhawk> what the hell is bluespec's business these days? 15:06 < jrayhawk> is it just toolchains for building RISC-V SOCs now? 15:06 < srk> heh, probably some IP cores as well :) 15:08 < srk> I'm waiting for the day when ST will release their RISC-V chips utilizing the IP cores currently used on STM32 ARMs :D 15:10 < srk> barebones core is not of much value these days I would say, you can use number of toolchains to build one but periherals are completely different beast 15:10 < srk> (especially mixed signal like ADC) 15:11 * srk looks at FE310 15:21 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:59 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:00 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:43 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:5d17:dfd5:86c9:227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: the new machine the parts] 18:35 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:03 -!- N-time [~Mark@212.225.172.60] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:14 -!- d4de [~d4de@197.47.162.164] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:14 < d4de> https://fortanix.com/ 19:15 < jrayhawk> Hello! 19:17 -!- filipepe [uid362247@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yroyqbgemyvvpfsr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:19 < d4de> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/07/eggheads_slip_a_note_under_intels_door_sgx_can_leak_crypto_keys/ 19:24 -!- d4de [~d4de@197.47.162.164] has left ##hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 19:24 -!- d4de [~d4de@197.47.162.164] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:25 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:27 < jrayhawk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--Kgseuy0Q 19:27 < d4de> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterogeneous_System_Architecture 19:27 < kanzure> .wik 19:27 < saxo> "Indonesian author Chairil Anwar wrote 75 poems, 7 pieces of prose, and 3 poetry collections. He also translated 10 poems and 4 pieces of prose." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page 19:28 < kanzure> .wik heterogeneous system architecture 19:28 < saxo> "Heterogeneous System Architecture (HSA) is a cross-vendor set of specifications that allow for the integration of central processing units and graphics processors on the same bus, with shared memory and tasks." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterogeneous_system_architecture 19:30 < d4de> https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/792uzk/is_heterogeneous_system_architecture_dead/ 19:30 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:51 -!- turona [~quassel@2a01:c22:a415:a000:568:3604:3c14:64ec] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:51 -!- turona [~quassel@2a01:c22:b00d:ec00:5825:f85a:1853:fa62] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:51 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--Kgseuy0Q 19:51 < saxo> Hardware and Software Architecture of The Machine - YouTube 19:52 -!- N-time [~Mark@212.225.172.60] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:56 < lsneff> Was The Machine that memristor computing device hpe was working on? 19:57 -!- Hooloovo0 [Hooloovoo@sorunome.de] has quit [Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism.] 19:58 < jrayhawk> That was among the goals. 19:58 -!- Hooloovo0 [Hooloovoo@sorunome.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:59 < lsneff> What’s the verdict on memristors anyhow? 19:59 < jrayhawk> Arguably that's their most "successful" goal in that it exists and is buyable today, though almost nobody is actually doing so 20:00 < lsneff> I know many people thought they were impossible. 20:01 < jrayhawk> https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/07/23/how-well-is-optane-xpoint-doing/ 20:02 < jrayhawk> https://semiaccurate.com/2020/01/16/intel-slashes-xeon-pricing-via-the-memory-tax/ and some more up-to-date but nitpicky pessimism here 20:38 < jrayhawk> oh, that was an older The Machine presentation 20:38 < jrayhawk> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSCvkU0UKIU is more modern 20:38 < saxo> Sorry, links cannot contain spaces 20:38 < jrayhawk> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSCvkU0UKIU 20:38 < saxo> Gen-Z on Linux: Supporting a New System Interconnect in Free Software - YouTube 21:04 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@172.58.19.183] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:19 -!- Urchin [~urchin@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:49 -!- d4de [~d4de@197.47.162.164] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:23 < nmz787> hmm, as I sit here staring at some memory validation data... I wonder if the folks at semiaccurate know about the cost of QC and HVM tester time... I'm pretty sure there's a lot more difference besides one or two blown fuses 23:24 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Fri May 01 00:00:08 2020