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00:00 < lsneff> Yeah, I mean, that's kind of a pain, but it legitimately improves my life
00:00 < fenn> you, sir, are guilty
00:00 < lsneff> Gladly
00:01 < lsneff> If someone comes up with  legitimate competition, I'd switch to it.
00:02 < fenn> what does it even do
00:02 < fenn> i could almost understand if it were a complete voice operated OS like in Star Trek
00:02 < fenn> but it's just this "OK google" crap
00:03 < fenn> "searching for products related to what you said"
00:04 < fenn> is it that fucking hard to click a button, so a wage slave can get a product off a shelf for you
00:04 < lsneff> Well, it's really useful to have a basic interface to my account through it, music, my schedule, home automation
00:04 < lsneff> It's not necessary obviously
00:05 < fenn> what home automation does it do?
00:06 < fenn> i haven't adjusted my thermostat in over a year
00:07 < fenn> the rest of this stuff is just "smart TV" stuff which is not home automation
00:07 < lsneff> I mostly use it for lights
00:07 < fenn> ok what if you had a limited voice command ASIC that just turned the lights on and off
00:07 < fenn> this tech has been around since the 90s fwiw
00:08 < lsneff> That'd be fine, I guess, but I like having an interface that's more compassionate than just something like that
00:08 < fenn> it's called a dog
00:08 < lsneff> Being able to parse intent from many sentence structures very meaningful
00:08 < lsneff> I don't want to have to say exactly the same thing every time
00:09 < fenn> do you really need more than "lights on" or "lights dim"
00:09 < lsneff> It's nice to tell it to kill the lights sometimes, but other than that, not particularly
00:10 < fenn> if you're going to sell out, at least do it for something worth it
00:10 < lsneff> What would that be haha
00:11 < fenn> a full voice OS
00:11 < lsneff> When that tech exists, I'll sell out for that too
00:11 < fenn> like this IRC should automatically go through TTS and voice recognition, without needing any fancy client software
00:12 < fenn> any terminal should just work automatically
00:12 < fenn> in addition there would be voice control hooks for every OS function, and web page summarization/navigation
00:12 < lsneff> That'd be great
00:13 < lsneff> But speech recognition really hasn't gotten better
00:13 < fenn> actually it has
00:13 < lsneff> Maybe microphones are the problem, they're not directional enough
00:13 < fenn> over the past 5 years it's gotten tremendously better
00:13 < lsneff> Really?
00:13 < fenn> not just in terms of raw accuracy, but also in recognizing common mumbles and noises and ignoring them, and rejecting environment noise
00:14 < ffranr> free self hosted speech recognition really hasn't gotten better
00:14 < fenn> indeed
00:14 < lsneff> I guess my phone understands me pretty well, but I haven't seen any tech that can determine if I'm talking at it, rather than just in general
00:14 < fenn> we were messing around with Kaldi and baidu-deepspeech a couple years ago
00:14 < lsneff> Ideally, no need for keyphrases
00:14 < juri_> I'm not sure what this has to do with getting me out of this meat machine. :P
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00:15 < fenn> juri it's about exceeding the human condition generally
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00:15 < fenn> this is part of the exocortex interface
00:15 < fenn> not all objects should have direct read/write access to your brain
00:15 < juri_> yeah. sell that somewhere else. just get me out of this rotting pile of brokenness, thanks.
00:16 < ffranr> ha! the obstacle is the way: embrace the meat machine
00:16 < lsneff> Sometimes, I wonder if we'll ever be able to escape
00:16 < ffranr> come out the other side?
00:16 < juri_> we get closer, one line at a time.
00:17 < lsneff> As we know more, we know how much we don't know.
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00:18 < ffranr> I wander what a don't know to know ratio graph looks like
00:18 < juri_> the well is not bottomless. the pandemic gives many of us much more time to work the problem. take it.
00:19 < lsneff> I have much less time now than I did.
00:19 < lsneff> Classes are over now thankfully, but I'm effectively doing two internships this summer
00:19 < lsneff> Albeit, one is related to MNT, so that is a step in the right direction
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00:21 < ffranr> MNT the protein?
00:22 < lsneff> Molecular nanotechnology
00:22 < ffranr> ah! cool
00:23 < ffranr> are there any good review papers that I can take a look at?
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00:30 < lsneff> On what?
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00:47 < ffranr> just something interesting, this looks cool: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41565-019-0555-2
00:47 < ffranr> "Path towards graphene commercialization from lab to market"
00:47 < ffranr> Or this: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41565-019-0589-5
00:47 < ffranr> "Nanotechnology intervention of the microbiome for cancer therapy"
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08:19 < kanzure> ffranr: review papers here https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech/
08:24 < L29Ah> .title https://github.com/JesusFreke/lalboard
08:24 < saxo> GitHub - JesusFreke/lalboard: A 3D-printed keyboard inspired by the DataHand
08:26 < srk> want to build one badly
08:35 < ffranr> Thanks kanzure!
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08:37 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=449a8037 Michael Folkson: Add Christian on Stephan Livera >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/stephan-livera-podcast/2019-03-14-christian-decker-channel-factories/
08:37 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=26075b42 Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #101 from michaelfolkson/add-christian-podcast >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/
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11:37 < lsneff> Ooo, I got up to 84 wpm today, that's improvement in my eyes.
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11:46 < docl> good job!
11:58 < juri_> write haskell. I just spent three days writing a (rather large, true) screen full of text.
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12:17 < lsneff> Never learned haskell, I probably should though
12:30 < ffranr> I went to a talk by Simon Peyton Jones on Haskell. An audience member stumped him when they asked if it was possible to debug Haskell.
12:31 < L29Ah> juri_: how many days would fixing https://github.com/colah/ImplicitCAD/issues/204 take? (:
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12:39 < juri_> I have no idea on that one. :)
12:39 < juri_> thanks for reminding me it's there, tho.
12:42 < juri_> I will probably go back to implicitcad after i'm through getting this slicer to print a few things. I've learned a lot working on this, that implicitcad could use.
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13:11 < lsneff> Any of you read a Deepness in the Sky?
13:15 < docl> yes, good stuff
13:16 < lsneff> I've heard it touches a lot on software archeology
13:19 < docl> http://akkartik.name/post/deepness
13:23 < lsneff> No spoilers :P
13:23 < docl> most of the book is about an alien race that spends most of its time in hibernation, so they have to invent civilization very quickly
13:24 < docl> oops :)
13:25 < lsneff> I've gotten as far as the spiders waking up in the middle of the dark, but that's it
13:26 < docl> the first book written was a fire on the deep, but a deepness in the sky is a prequel to that
13:26 < docl> they are both good stand alone fiction though
13:40 < lsneff> Oh, should I read a fire on the deep first?
13:41 < juri_> you should do something productive for the cause first. where's kanzure, to crack the whip? :)
13:42 < lsneff> Oops :P
13:42 < lsneff> How could I
13:45 < kanzure> all shall be destroyed!
13:50 < docl> it's meltdown may, so it's acceptable to do something obviously crazy
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14:01 < lsneff> I feel like I was going to have a breakdown of some sort, but now that classes are over, I feel much better.
14:02 < docl> good!
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15:02 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23060656
15:02 < saxo> Explainable Deep Learning: A Field Guide for the Uninitiated | Hacker News
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16:32 < lsneff> .title https://sci-hub.tw/10.3389/fnins.2019.00112
16:32 < saxo> Sci-Hub |  | 10.3389/fnins.2019.00112
16:32 < lsneff> "HUMAN BRAIN/CLOUD INTERFACE"
16:33 < lsneff> Interestingly, freitas is listed as an author
16:39 < kanzure> https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm
17:26 < fenn> lalboard needs some leather upholstery
17:27 < fenn> wouldn't want to touch icky 3d printed stuff all day
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18:52 < kanzure> .title http://www.righto.com/2020/05/reverse-engineering-audio-chip-in.html
18:52 < saxo> Reverse-engineering the audio amplifier chip in the Nintendo Game Boy Color
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20:18 < lsneff> Have any of you built your own keyboards?
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