--- Log opened Fri Jul 10 00:00:14 2020 00:07 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-154-184-23.adslplus.ch] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:15 -!- Alchemical [~al@unaffiliated/alchemical] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:15 -!- Alchemical [~al@unaffiliated/alchemical] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:17 -!- berndj [~berndj@ns2.linksynergy.co.za] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:27 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-154-184-23.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:40 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-154-184-23.adslplus.ch] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:40 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-154-184-23.adslplus.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 00:47 -!- Obsdark [~obsdark@unaffiliated/obsdark] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 00:55 -!- hoijui [~hoijui@2001:16b8:c235:5600:f533:1996:8a77:b1d5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:56 < hoijui> hello! :-) I arrived here because we found SKDB, and are interested in it... hte latest I coudl find about it is from 2014, and even before that/in total, there seems not to be much around about it 00:57 < hoijui> I am currently reading through the openmanufacturing google group a bit, and see a lot of similarity to what we are doing 00:58 < hoijui> generally.. trying to organize open hardware meta-data and documentation 01:15 < hoijui> we just released the DIN 3105 (defining Open Hardware, and also the first Open Source DIN norm), and are now looking into more practical things 01:15 -!- juri_ [~juri@79.140.114.83] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:35 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:40 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:48 < srk> hoijui: neat! what is SKDB? 01:52 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:57 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mfegmvzudzcstxmd] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:01 -!- juri_ [~juri@79.140.114.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:04 -!- juri_ [~juri@79.140.114.83] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:26 < hoijui> srk, https://gnusha.org/skdb/ - "SKDB: apt-get for hardware" 02:27 < hoijui> but even apart form SKDB, we might collaborate.. any of you, if you are into this kind of stuff. 02:27 < hoijui> though.. it feels to me, like you have gone through this a few years ago, and I imagine that it left many.. disillusioned.. maybe? 02:29 < hoijui> to me it seems, that we.. being mostly ingeneers, researchers.. technical people, we focus on the techincal problems (like how to define and structure meta-data, how to make things searchable/findable, how to index and standardize and such) 02:29 < hoijui> just to always fail in the end because nobody uses what we come up with 02:38 < srk> hoijui: thanks. I've watched the DIN 3105 CCC talk and like the idea 02:39 < srk> hoijui: doing a few oshw projects myself I'm definitely interested 03:40 < nmz787> hoijui: hi, we don't talk about SKDB too much in here anymore 03:40 < nmz787> hoijui: http://gnusha.org/logs/2020-02-06.log 03:40 < nmz787> http://gnusha.org/logs/2020-02-07.log 03:44 < nmz787> the last time before then was in 2018 https://pastebin.com/m86A4UUd 04:01 -!- hoijui [~hoijui@2001:16b8:c235:5600:f533:1996:8a77:b1d5] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:23 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: TMA, Human_G33k, nickjohnson 04:24 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: acertain 04:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Human_G33k, nickjohnson, TMA, acertain 05:05 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:10 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:11 -!- hoijui [~hoijui@2a02:8109:b540:ad0:1c60:a585:c0d4:2a9a] has joined ##hplusroadmap 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could be that route 10:00 < fenn> there's just not a lot of reward to an individual for writing up some metadata, even if other people end up using it 10:00 < fenn> if they are playing their fav simulation game and find a missing part description, it's not hard to enter the data and then be able to use the part 10:04 < fenn> in the game 10:12 < L29Ah> 19:58:03] the first official standard ever published under a free license 10:12 < L29Ah> all the soviet GOSTs were free long before stallman decided which licenses are free 10:14 * fenn randomly stumbles across Paul Fernhout on a slashdot comment 10:18 < fenn> did we ever get a copy of the soviet patent database? 10:20 < L29Ah> https://patents.su/ this one? 10:20 < fenn> ya 10:20 < L29Ah> also soviet patents didn't give any exclusive rights to the author 10:21 < fenn> i hate that i have to allow a website's javascript to run in order to get chrome to translate it 10:22 < L29Ah> you can use umatrix to only allow google translate js to run 10:23 < fenn> hmm 10:23 < fenn> i'm a bit intimidated by the u* plugins configuration 10:32 < fenn> L29Ah: how do you do that? i don't even see any rules for google in umatrix. normally i run with javascript disabled everywhere by default in chrome's settings. do i have to enable js in chrome and then rely on umatrix to block js on websites? 10:33 < kanzure> apparently fernhout works at pacbio now 10:40 < L29Ah> you click on the umatrix button and set the allowed domains 10:40 < L29Ah> also patents.su doesn't seem to have any js 10:40 < fenn> not relevant 10:40 < fenn> i want it off by default 10:40 < L29Ah> it's off by default 10:40 < L29Ah> in umatrix 10:41 < L29Ah> except for the first party, that can be made off by default too 10:42 < fenn> i added a custom rule to umatrix: content.googleapis.com apis.google.com script allow 10:42 < fenn> this at least changes the behavior of the chrome built-in translation doohickey 10:42 < fenn> now it says "this page could not be translated" "try again" 10:45 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52 -!- hoijui [~hoijui@2a02:8109:b540:ad0:1c60:a585:c0d4:2a9a] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:03 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:06 < fenn> yeah i guess i just have to enable js in chrome and rely on umatrix to do the blocking 11:08 < fenn> and add * translate.googleapis.com xhr allow 11:46 -!- hoijui [~hoijui@2001:16b8:c235:5600:f533:1996:8a77:b1d5] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:55 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:56 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:57 < kanzure> nmz787: https://github.com/kanzure/culture_shock/issues/2 13:13 -!- aeiousomething [~aeiousome@unaffiliated/aeiousomething] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:30 -!- hoijui [~hoijui@2001:16b8:c235:5600:f533:1996:8a77:b1d5] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:37 < lsneff> .t https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02054-5 14:37 < saxo> Scientists make precise gene edits to mitochondrial DNA for first time 15:04 < kanzure> "High-fidelity SaCas9 identified by directional screening in human cells" https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.3000747 15:12 -!- Human_G33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:16 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:19 < docl> https://www.reddit.com/r/IsaacArthur/comments/hlel5q/space_runway/ 15:19 < docl> .title 15:19 < saxo> Space Runway : IsaacArthur 16:07 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27 -!- juri__ [~juri@79.140.121.24] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:30 -!- juri_ [~juri@79.140.114.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:31 -!- justan0theruser 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