--- Log opened Mon Aug 03 00:00:38 2020 00:06 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:09 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:36 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:06 < TMA> lsneff: I am looking for a list app for a phone, not a good match to integrate 02:38 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:16 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=4faab96f Michael Folkson: Add Kalle at Advancing Bitcoin >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/advancing-bitcoin/2020/2020-02-06-kalle-alm-signet-integration/ 06:16 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=5f70ba11 Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #141 from michaelfolkson/add-kalle-signet-advancing >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/ 07:05 < lsneff> TMA: That appears to be the case. A phone app would be useful as well, but only if it integrated with everything else. 07:38 < TMA> lsneff: my use case is a "generic list of things" app -- something that would have for example a list of books I own to quickly check if a book that striked my fancy would be a duplicate. or a shopping list with the ability to cross off items already in the shopping basket 07:39 < TMA> lsneff: another feature I would like is to have not just list of strings but list of "custom structured" data -- say the list of foodstufs at home with their expiration dates (fancy when deciding what to cook) 07:41 < TMA> or the ability to filter lists by location or people (both achievable via tags) 07:42 < TMA> location filtering could be GPS aware "when I am here, what do I want to do?" 07:42 < TMA> and other use cases to make my life easier 07:45 < TMA> in other words a butler for information storage 07:47 < lsneff> TMA: I really like the idea of structured data. It would be really useful for me to be able to dump things into a list and then various systems in my personal infrastructure could go through them, parsing, etc and add things to the structured data associated with that item. 07:48 < TMA> the structured data thing is the reason I want something custom 07:50 < TMA> also, there are really nifty features enabled with them: scan the barcode of a book, connect to your library catalogue to fill the data into your TO-READ list, possibly also make a reservation in your library 07:51 < lsneff> That is quite nifty. 08:26 < fenn> i liked the generic list of things idea better 08:29 < TMA> fenn: the idea is to have a generic list app first. then those same lists can be operated on with specialized addons like the one mentioned 08:31 < TMA> the data being _structured_ would enable that addons having sense as addons as opposed to separate apps that have their own backends 08:31 < L29Ah> it's interesting how switching from a keyboard to a touchscreen suddenly makes all the easy tasks unbearable and requiring custom software 08:32 < TMA> yes 08:32 < L29Ah> https://i.imgur.com/OxeymL8.jpg 08:32 < L29Ah> this one is missing an essential element though: a trackpoint 08:33 < TMA> touch screen is ok-ish for entering screen positions 08:34 < fenn> how do you hold a touchscreen and type on a thigh mounted keyboard at the same time? 08:35 < L29Ah> fenn: swap a touchscreen with a trackpoint and use a screen in a HMD 08:35 < fenn> i would use head mounted displays and mems gyro head tracker for pointing 08:35 < L29Ah> also if we're already in HMD land, we may use eye tracking as a pointer replacement 08:36 * L29Ah double-blinks 08:36 < TMA> fenn: the same way as you hold the nontouch screen while typing on a thigh mounted keyboard 08:37 < TMA> s/$/ and using trackpoint/ 08:59 < lsneff> https://i.redd.it/x33q8armjeg01.jpg 09:03 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-psxohfhncegxzlso] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:10 < fenn> the '90s you won't find on tumblr 09:51 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@172.58.19.207] has joined ##hplusroadmap 09:54 < abetusk> .title https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/29/1005720/george-church-diy-coronavirus-vaccine/ 09:54 < saxo> Some scientists are taking a DIY coronavirus vaccine, and nobody knows if it’s legal or if it works | MIT Technology Review 09:55 < fenn> cool 10:01 < fenn> chitosan strikes again! 10:04 < abetusk> https://radvac.org/ 10:06 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:39 < lsneff> It seems some other group decided to actually go design a vaccine. 10:58 -!- shawwwn [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-usczfmsufucbweup] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:15 < kanzure> yashgaroth: perhaps time to repeat your comments on it^ 11:16 < kanzure> copy-paste from email would be enough really 11:17 < yashgaroth> ehh I can summarize, first up they've been snorting the peptides since May yet still have no testing data on antibody response 11:17 < yashgaroth> they claim it's more difficult to assess mucosal immunity, which is true, but also means it'll be next to impossible to tell if it actually works 11:18 < yashgaroth> on top of it being a distributed project so collecting data will be a huge pain, and a challenge trial would be infeasible 11:18 < yashgaroth> vs any other vaccine out there where you can go to labcorp and get an IgG/IgM test for $10 11:19 < yashgaroth> and my speculation that mucosal immunity is less relevant for covid (vs rhinovirus or flu) since it shows no upper respiratory symptoms & doesn't replicate in the nose 11:20 < yashgaroth> and generally, expecting the public to order a dozen peptides and myriad lab equipment is laughable, they're just passing on the risk of malpractice from themselves to whatever poor 'citizen scientists' coordinate the bulk buy 11:22 < yashgaroth> I will give credit to gabriel and justin for calling out josiah's vaccine project as a marketing ploy to sell his shitty off-brand pipettes, though 11:24 < yashgaroth> anyway, I don't doubt radvac will be safe, but then so would a placebo 11:24 < superkuh> "it shows no upper respiratory symptoms & doesn't replicate in the nose" ... uh 11:25 < superkuh> I don't think that is true. 11:25 < yashgaroth> yes? sneezing, congestion, etc are not major symptoms for covid 11:25 < superkuh> But loss of smell is. 11:26 < superkuh> sars-cov-2 is not very cytotoxic by itself. As far as I understand it's the unbalanced immune response that's the killer. 11:26 < yashgaroth> a fair point, albeit a neurological symptom 11:27 < yashgaroth> it doesn't usually kill by cytokine storm or anything, the improvements from dexamethasone as an immunosuppressant are modest 11:28 < superkuh> For aerosol transmission the upper respiratory is going to be the place it gains entry and begins replicating. Stopping it there seems very reasonable. 11:29 < yashgaroth> if you count the throat as upper respiratory, then sure, though no one seems to have a good idea of covid's infection mechanics...or if they do, it's lost in the noise of unreviewed papers 11:29 < yashgaroth> just saying, there's a reason no companies or other groups are trying to get mucosal immunity 11:31 < yashgaroth> and, like I said, I doubt there's risk of active harm from this type of vaccine; but one of the group members is quoted in the article as feeling more safe walking around in public now, which is shortsighted 11:33 < superkuh> Hm. I imagine anyone capable of assembling it will take proper precautions regardless. But maybe that's optimistic. 11:37 < yashgaroth> true, people formulating their own vaccine are unlikely anti-maskers, but I fear they may play more fast & loose with personal precautions afterward...not a major concern, but if it turns out to provide no protection (again, they seem to have extreme difficulty assessing this vaccine's efficacy) then it's kind of a net negative 13:41 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:07 -!- shawwwn [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-usczfmsufucbweup] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:31 -!- shawwwn [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fkyledzkslqovzbk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:35 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:37 -!- shawwwn [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fkyledzkslqovzbk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:42 < fenn> starship 150 meter hop attempt in 23 minutes ish http://youtu.be/5QbM7Vsz3kg 17:00 < fenn> aborted 17:22 -!- shawwwn [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sacylyfqdwpavifk] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:49 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: brb] 18:15 < lsneff> No surprise there 18:22 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:23 < fenn> if you are developing precognitive abilities please let us know more 18:23 < kanzure> hplusroadmap side effects may vary 18:23 < fenn> it automatically aborted in less than a second after engine startup 18:24 < fenn> trying again tomorrow, same bat place, same bat channel, time unknown 18:41 < kanzure> are there any fart-bourne viruses? 18:43 < fenn> silent but deadly 18:44 < fenn> one wonders why farts smell bad 18:59 < lsneff> I do wonder when they're actually going to get that thing flying. 18:59 < lsneff> Iirc, the hops were supposed to begin months ago. 19:12 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 19:17 < fenn> blowups happen 19:18 < fenn> it hasn't been that long really 19:34 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-114-73-160.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:36 < kanzure> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1121900/ 19:44 < fenn> .title 19:44 < saxo> Hot air? 19:45 < fenn> “She wanted to know whether she was contaminating the operating theatre she worked in by quietly farting in the sterile environment during operations, and I realised that I didn't know. But I was determined to find out.” 19:47 < fenn> a gaping flatulent hole in modern medical knowledge 20:25 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-psxohfhncegxzlso] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:27 -!- shawwwn [uid6132@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sacylyfqdwpavifk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:33 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 20:40 < lsneff> The range of realistic interstellar starships is depressingly bleak. 20:48 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@172.58.19.207] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Log closed Tue Aug 04 00:00:40 2020