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07:50 < lsneff> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1u-jlf_Olo&feature=youtu.be
07:50 < lsneff> 10 minutes unti Royal Astronomical Society briefing on finding of phosphine gas in venus' atmosphere
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09:18 < kanzure> .title
09:18 < saxo> YouTube
09:18 < kanzure> hmph
09:19 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1u-jlf_Olo
09:19 < saxo> RAS Press Briefing - YouTube
09:20 < fenn> better to read the paper
09:23 < fenn> .title http://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/ast.2020.2244
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09:24 < fenn> "The Venusian Lower Atmosphere Haze as a Depot for Desiccated Microbial Life: A Proposed Life Cycle for Persistence of the Venusian Aerial Biosphere"
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09:29 < fenn> .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-020-1174-4
09:29 < saxo> Phosphine gas in the cloud decks of Venus | Nature Astronomy
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09:50 < lsneff> "In fact, it has been speculated that the “unknown UV absorber” in the clouds of Venus, a chemical species of unknown identity, absorbing more than half of all UV that the planet receives could be a manifestation of a wide-spread energy-capture process by an aerial biosphere (Limaye et al., 2018)."
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10:34 < kanzure> "Unusual features of the SARS-CoV-2 genome suggesting sophisticated laboratory modification rather than natural evolution and delineation of its probable synthetic route" https://zenodo.org/record/4028830/files/The_Yan_Report.pdf
10:34 < kanzure> fenn: lsneff: what measurements can validate/invalidate the theory?
10:36 < lsneff> fenn: Probably discovery of some exotic abiotic process that can explain the concentration of phosphine at that layer in the venusian atmosphere.
10:36 < lsneff> More measurements of the concentration and exact attitude of the phosphine is necessary.
10:37 < lsneff> And also, some comparison between the location of the phosphine and the locations of the strange uv-absorbing patches will likely happen.
10:37 < kanzure> does it require mere observation, or physical sampling?
10:38 < lsneff> I'd assume a bit of both. Observation will be necessary, but physical sampling is the only thing to decide one way or another for sure.
10:38 < kanzure> also: if this thing is infected with lifeforms, everyone is going to immediately and collectively move goalposts
10:39 < lsneff> As to what counts as life?
10:40 < kanzure> as to life off world
10:40 < fenn> "big deal it's just microbes"
10:41 < kanzure> "we always knew life was out there, duh"
10:41 < lsneff> Oh, for sure
10:42 < lsneff> That's just the arrogant zeitgeist
10:42  * fenn puts on his hipster shades
10:42 < fenn> i was jaded before it was cool
10:45 < lsneff> That being said, if it's descended from the same life as earth's, then it's very interesting but not really that incredible.
10:45 < lsneff> We've known that organic material has been exchanged between planets in the solar system for a long time
10:47  * lsneff is already getting started on moving the goalposts
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19:43 < lsneff> .t https://arxiv.org/abs/2009.06555
19:43 < saxo> [2009.06555] Cosmic String Interpretation of NANOGrav Pulsar Timing Data
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