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00:13 < adlai> lsneff: the trouble is when "run in the browser" becomes "render in the browser", and any logic whatsoever happens on the other side of the planet
00:14  * adlai is troubled by lsneff's sentiment that the www is "all we got"
00:15 < adlai> I prefer to think of the www as a woefully inadequate vestigial language, that happens to be the most popular protocol for communications; although it is far from the only one.
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00:16  * adlai would target http[s] as the weakest link, pun intended, although insufficiently familiar with the plethora of alternatives to make this statement outside the subjunctive mood
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07:07 < lsneff> Please introduce me to the plethora of other, widely used communication platforms that I am not familiar with, then.
08:03 < adlai> well, I use IRC without the 'irccloud.com' middleman; and the various chat apps (telegram, matrix, whatsapp, signal, ... pretty much all of them) might offer www clients, although they are not strictly speaking part of the Web itself.
08:04 < adlai> the Web used to be quite usable for static content, although the idiotic popularity of dynamic sites has eroded its usefulness in that regard.
08:06 < adlai> I specifically omitted facebook and twitter from that list, because while they may be more popularly accessed through mobile apps these days, they still both began as websites, and the websites are still their central product.
08:07 < adlai> lsneff: I look forwards to the day when `/whois lsneff` returns an actual IRC connection, rather than irccloud.com !
08:08 < adlai> fwiw you should be able to get a 'freenode cloak', and then you'll appear as unaffiliated/lsneff, or something similar, even when you connect through a middleman
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08:09 < lsneff> I don't believe irccloud supports that for some reason or another.
08:10 < lsneff> I see all those applications (except matrix and irc) and web applications.
08:10 < adlai> try `/query nickserv help register`
08:10 < lsneff> s/and/as
08:10 < adlai> theoretically, irccloud.com could be registering with nickserv on your behalf, which is... both understandable, and condemmable, depending on your viewpoint.
08:12 < adlai> you should disambiguate Internet and Web. there are places where you can get whatsapp access for one price, and www access for a much higher one.
08:13 < adlai> wrt scripting languages, the original javascript was not far off from being a scheme dialect.
08:13  * adlai isn't sure what fenn 's question was
08:14 < adlai> "do you remember java applets?" yes. "how javascript managed... but java remained a plugin" perhaps?
08:15 < lsneff> Good point, they are different I suppose. I find it difficult to decide when to draw the line when it uses http(s) requests/websockets to talk to the server.
08:15  * adlai answers that by pointing out that associating agency with those platforms is a wonderful abuse of language
08:17 < adlai> "hello, I want to speak hypertext securely, no wait I want to connect a firehose filled with JSON, just let's pretend that it's hypertext, ok?"
08:18 < adlai> at the current levels of omen fulfillment, I will be drunk alive by a Shelob-sized monster from the paleozoic era, although it's probably a few centuries away.
08:19 < adlai> others are advised to aim for less horrible forms of death.
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09:54 < redlegion> adlai: sooooo if I'm using 'irccloud.com' to connect to the server and connect to 'irccloud.com' using thelounge, on a scale of one to ten- How abominable is that setup?
09:55 < redlegion> -technically- I'm not really utilizing irccloud services' web interface for anything
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10:17 < adlai> redlegion: please anchor your goalposts
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10:18 < adlai> e.g., "one to ten, where one is the archangel who incarnates himself out of pure mathematics to slay Anselm's Ontological Fallacy, and ten is Roko's Basilisk"
10:18 < adlai> in that scale, you're somewhere between five and six, with an error margin of one.
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11:33 < lsneff> .t namebase.io
11:33 < saxo> Och, A cannae finde nae tweet
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15:05 < L29Ah> how is it better than namecoin?
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16:39 < lsneff> No idea, but it seems serious to me.
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17:58 < lsneff> Cranelift, a general compiler framework written in rust, is pretty usable as a rust backend at this point.
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18:28 < lsneff> .t https://twitter.com/AdamMarblestone/status/1309242937251856384?s=20
18:28 < saxo> After an awesome two years at DeepMind, I’m leaving tomorrow and will be working full-time on identifying and roadmapping promising new “mini-Manhattan projects”, i.e., “Focused Research Organizations (FROs)”, and trying to help them happen. Talk to me if you have one in mind! https://twitter.com/Day1Project/status/1309239609029730306 (@AdamMarblestone)
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20:06 < kanzure> good
20:07 < kanzure> don't want him ending up like anders at "future of humanity institute"
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21:02 < fenn> not sure politics is any better
22:05 < lsneff> Does anyone here do gamedev, cad dev, or something similar to that?
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22:38 < fenn> juri does
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