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03:18 < nmz787> I wish I could get an implant that would just force me to go to sleep at a programmed time
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09:01 < L29Ah> i ordered a chunk of lead delivered to my personal residence in the belt via a mass driver; how do i catch the damn thing?
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11:16 < lsneff> .t https://matrix.org/blog/2020/12/07/gitter-now-speaks-matrix
11:16 < saxo> Gitter now speaks Matrix! | Matrix.org
11:16 < apotheon> 11:18 < nmz787> I wish I could get an implant that would just force me to go to sleep at a programmed time
11:16 < apotheon> fuck yeah
11:18 < apotheon> and stay asleep with proper (but perhaps customizable) sleep-stage cycling
11:18 < apotheon> (for a selected period of time)
11:20 < ptrcmd> ++
11:20 < apotheon> The stuff after one falls asleep can be encouraged somewhat, to some degree, with current technology and knowledge, I think.  Affordable sleep stage detection and something that uses that information to produce audio could help with that, though a comfortable way to get the audio without disturbing someone else sleeping in the room is an idea for which I don't really have a good solution.
11:21 < apotheon> I don't really have a good solution for "affordable", either.
11:21 < ptrcmd> audio?
11:21 < ptrcmd> why produce audo
11:22 < ptrcmd> *audio
11:22 < apotheon> Ticking sounds at the rate of a particular brainwave type helps reinforce that sleep stage.
11:22 < apotheon> . . . or so some recent-ish research suggests.
11:23 < apotheon> This was particularly tested with deep sleep, which tends to cycle around 1Hz.
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11:27 < apotheon> Hi, by the way.  I'm new here.
11:27 < apotheon> I didn't find this channel sooner because it didn't occur to me until recently to search for channel names containing "hplus".
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14:40 < lsneff> Got the afm page up on my website: https://charted.space/afm-updates.html
14:54 < L29Ah> lsneff: how much time have passed between ordering the boards and grabbing them?
14:55 < lsneff> Receiving them?
14:55 < L29Ah> yes
14:55 < lsneff> I got them a few days ago
14:55 < lsneff> They shipped from china and there were delays due to covid
14:55 < L29Ah> interpreting vague answer as "over a month"
14:55 < lsneff> let me check for sure
14:56 < lsneff> Actually no, more like two weeks
14:56 < lsneff> I ordered them november 26th, and they arrived two days ago
14:57 < L29Ah> nice
14:57 < L29Ah> i was just surprised you haven't hacked it together w/o a board
14:58 < lsneff> I needed the components too, and they arrived right before board did, plus I wasn't looking forward to trying to use smt parts on a breadboard
14:59 < L29Ah> who needs a breadboard when you can just solder them all together
14:59 < L29Ah> and engulf in a blob of hot-melt glue
14:59 < L29Ah> but right if you don't have parts it makes sense
15:00 < L29Ah> here parts are about an hour away but boards are a month away :/
15:00 < lsneff> Ah :/
15:01 < lsneff> Yeah, if I wanted either more quickly, I probably could've gotten within a week or less, but I'm not going to have time to build it before finals are over anyhow
15:01 < lsneff> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/20/6d/86/206d868f958b3a13f6a9449f70646829.jpg
15:02 < lsneff> > Small Circuit without PCB
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17:47 < fenn> making boards is easy
17:48 < fenn> minimize vias
17:48 < fenn> best if it's 100% single sided
17:49 < fenn> supposedly you can just rub a board on a sponge soaked in etchant and it will etch in under a minute
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18:27 < lsneff> They're so cheap to get made these days
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18:32 < fenn> lsneff: how much were the boards?
18:33 < lsneff> 9 usd for 5 boards and a stainless steel stencil
18:34 < fenn> oh wow
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18:34 < fenn> still it's a pain to wait even one day
18:35 < lsneff> I agree, if you already have the parts
18:36 < lsneff> Someday pcb printers will be good.
18:36 < fenn> they're right there on v 0.1 that didn't work because the design was wrong
18:37 < fenn> if you're just ordering known good components for a project, then waiting a week isn't the end of the world. but if your compile time is one week then it's a problem
18:38 < lsneff> 21:36 <fenn> they're right there on v 0.1 that didn't work because the design was wrong
18:38 < lsneff> Huh?
18:38 < fenn> i mean the reason to make your own board is to reduce the time between detecting a bug, and testing the fix to the bug
18:39 < fenn> in the initial stages of a project you're likely to have a large number of mistakes
18:40 < lsneff> Certainly, but what makes you think the board is wrong?
18:40 < fenn> i wasn't referring to your board specifically
18:40 < lsneff> Ah, I got ya
18:41 < lsneff> Yes, i expect it won't fully work initially, hopefully I can get it working within a few iterations
18:48 < lsneff> Wouldn't most professionals simulate their designs beforehand so to be pretty sure the board will work?
18:50 < fenn> yes but not all of us have $50k a seat software
18:51 < fenn> you won't necessarily have correct models for connectors etc
18:52 < fenn> i don't know the state of the art in digital simulation, but i doubt every chip out there even has simulation models, much less accurate ones
18:53 < lsneff> Oh, didn't think about needing different models for for different variants of chips.
18:54 < fenn> and you are probably thinking "op amp" not "SoC"
18:54 < fenn> not that you can really make your own boards for a SoC
18:56 < fenn> there's also the problem of simulation software being such a pain in the ass to actually use that it ends up being cheaper and faster to just build the damn thing and see what it does
18:56 < lsneff> The electronics industry reminds me of how the programming industry was 20 years ago.
18:57 < lsneff> Not that I was in the programming industry 20 years ago.
18:57 < fenn> there was a lot of C++ and perl
18:58 < lsneff> That sounds like how it is now.
19:01 < Urchin[emacs]> isn't it mostly javascript and python now?
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19:08 < lsneff> javascript for sure
19:11 < lsneff> people are even trying to run js on mcus now for some reason
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21:25 < lsneff> I really gotta stop jumping between things. I probably should've stuck with nebulet in 2018.
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