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00:53 < L29Ah> why do i get annoying cramps at ~2g/day creatine?
00:54 < Llamamoe> L29Ah: What kinds of cramps?
00:54 < Llamamoe> 2g/day isn't high enough that I'd expect issues
00:55 < Llamamoe> In fact that's a fairly low maintenance dose
01:01 < L29Ah> Llamamoe: a few times a day during normal movement some skeletal muscles' fiber packs get contracted painfully with maximum force and won't get relaxed for like a minute, and it gets worse with increased creatine dosages (in fact it's creatine storage as cramps don't appear on first few days after taking higher doses of creatine after prolonged abstinence)
01:03 < Llamamoe> L29Ah: Weird. All I can think of is, do you get enough magnesium in your diet? Maybe you're low on magnesium, just not low enough to have previously had issues? I can't think of why Creatine would cause cramps
01:03 < Llamamoe> But this isn't even conjecture, I just know low magnesium is a common cause of cramps
01:04 < L29Ah> i have plenty of magnesium in the oats i consume, and i also tried supplementing it, didn't notice any changes, but didn't document it properly
01:13 < Llamamoe> Well, there is nothing I know, alas.
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02:48 < fenn> L29Ah: the magnesium in your oats is not bioavailable
02:49 < fenn> also make sure you're getting enough water
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02:55 < fenn> "athletes who have problems with creatine should increase their consumption of both sodium (4-10 mg per pound with food in divided doses) and magnesium 1-2 mg/pound at bedtime, along with water."
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02:59 < Llamamoe> fenn: Is this true, about oats?
03:00 < fenn> phytic acid (inositol 6-phosphate) binds magnesium and is not soluble
03:00 < fenn> also i eat a crapload of oats and i notice a big difference when supplementing magnesium
03:00 < L29Ah> fenn: what kind of difference?
03:01 < fenn> no shuddering on exhalation, less fatigue, less muscle aches and stiffness, not turning into a werewolf (uncommon problem i know)
03:02 < fenn> just generally feeling relaxed and good
03:02 < Llamamoe> fenn: By any chance, would you happen to have relatively unrefreshing sleep?
03:02 < fenn> yeah of course
03:02 < Llamamoe> ...fuck
03:03 < Llamamoe> fenn: Can I ask you to pester me today repeatedly, so I finish a thing I am gonna do today?
03:03 < fenn> i have non-24 circadian rhythm as well
03:03 < fenn> i intend to sleep soon
03:04 < Llamamoe> fenn: Still, write a reminder to bother me, oke? Obligation (as long as it doesn't entail significant pressure) helps me get things done, and I can probably help you a lot here
03:05 < Llamamoe> I just need to compile knowledge instead of scattered conversations with people where I constantly forget to bring this or that up
03:06 < fenn> .in 16h pester llamamoe
03:06 < saxo> fenn: Will remind at 29 Dec 2020 03:06:25 UTC
03:06 < L29Ah> :D
03:08 < Llamamoe> Like, I have been, through both my own initiative and exposure to other people's knowledge, learning a LOT about sleep, fatigue, their countless complications including ADHD, unremitting depression, muscle aches/cramps/blabla, effects on stress dysregulation and fear extinction impairments, etc.
03:08 < Llamamoe> My knowledge is extremely lackluster compared to where it should be, or to the real experts but you would be VERY hard pressed to find a professional half as informed as me.
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03:12 < Llamamoe> In 16h I'll be asleep though, make it more like 22-34h
03:14 < fenn> nah
03:14 < fenn> i don't do scheduling
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04:49 < nmz787> Llamamoe: pester
04:49 < nmz787> Llamamoe: do your shit!
04:49 < Llamamoe> Hiya. Yep am on it
04:49 < Llamamoe> On a different task, but am doing things
04:49 < Llamamoe> Which is not a thing commonly done by me
04:50 < nmz787> https://discord.gg/EpjBG3wt82
04:50 < nmz787> .title
04:50 < saxo> vacuum hax0rs
04:51 < nmz787> chat rooms for vacuum equipment hacking
04:51 < Llamamoe> nmz787: Describe summary
04:51 < Llamamoe> Wait, what, just vacuums? Why?
04:53 < nmz787> lots of lasers, electron and ion beams, deposition and etch equipment.... all use vacuum
04:55 < Llamamoe> Hm, fair enough
04:55 < Llamamoe> I am only interested in low cost DIY science though
04:55 < Llamamoe> Can you offer such?
05:05 < nmz787> yeah, I mean, that's why I am a DIYer/hacker
05:05 < nmz787> I wasn't directly intending that for you, just wanted to post it for anyone really
05:07 < Llamamoe> nmz787: What kind of things do you DIY and hack?
05:09 < nmz787> studied biotech, ended up falling back on my childhood programming skills for work, have a habit of collecting scientific equipment
05:09 < nmz787> lately some nanopore electronics stuff
05:09 < nmz787> nanofab stuff
05:09 < nmz787> http://gnusha.org/~nmz787/pdf/smi3200/pics.html
05:09 < nmz787> part of my garage
05:12 < Llamamoe> nmz787: Awesome stuff :3
05:12 < Llamamoe> What kind of things do you do with nanopore electronics, and what kinds of things do you nanofab?
05:14 < nmz787> not too much under my belt in the nanofab realm yet, mostly been trying to get my machine running well enough for lithography of large area (stitching fields of view automatically)
05:15 < nmz787> the last 2 years I worked on a project to write a trillion buddhist prayers on mass-produced nanoimprinted film, for a next-generation buddhist prayer wheel
05:15 < Llamamoe> Haha
05:15 < nmz787> that just went to production in the last 2 weeks finally
05:15 < Llamamoe> Sounds like something I might be able to talk with you about one day, as it sounds within the realm of things I'd like to be able to undertake
05:15 < Llamamoe> But the list is long
05:16 < nmz787> the nanopore stuff was a team effort, custom amplifier electronics, I wrote a bunch of firmware for the embedded microcontroller and data acquisition
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05:16 < nmz787> then a bunch of Python to talk to it and stream data over ethernet
05:17 < nmz787> then another guy worked on a webserver that the nanopore streams data to, and I did some work on that as well
05:18 < nmz787> so far just looking at plastic particles and working on the software to detect particles, eventually goal is to optimize that to give some estimate of size and shape
05:18 < Llamamoe> nmz787: Do you have any particular ultimate directions with the kinds of things you are doing?
05:18 < nmz787> next-gen DNA synthesis
05:19 < Llamamoe> Ahhh :)
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08:12 < juri_> print people. the answer is always print people. :)
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09:38 < fltrz> so about to melt some PCL and shove it in my ear, any wise words before I try it?
09:42 < Llamamoe> fltrz: Just in case, try to be careful. Don't shove it in too deep, and perhaps do something like first doing N mm, then a bit more, instead of all at once. Maybe include a wire in case it has to be pulled out by force. I don't think this is likely, but i tend to worry overmuch
09:43 < Llamamoe> Maybe moving your jaws and ears around while it's in could be a good way to ensure it's not *too* tight of a fit
09:43 < fltrz> Llamamoe, I was thinking very similar things, also considered putting a tiny tube in, so that I dont create a vacuum when trying to pull it out
09:43 < Llamamoe> Ohhh, damn a tube to avoid a vacuum is utterly brilliant
09:43 < Llamamoe> Yeah it might have been bad if it was too tight and you tried to pull it out, ouch
09:44 < fltrz> Llamamoe, on the other hand, I found this product online for custom molded earplugs, and the usage description screams polycaprolactone (melt in boiling water, take out and let cool to touch) after googling i do find patents for polycaprolactone earmolds
09:45 < Llamamoe> Funny coincidence, btw, I'm getting some PCL myself
09:45 < Llamamoe> Where did you get yours from? Did you just get instamorph or the like?
09:45 < Llamamoe> I'm gonna make a DIY mandibular advancement device to augment PAP therapy for sleep disordered breathing
09:45 < fltrz> yeah I got mine for free, was enquiring about the price, when they just sent me a 1kg "sample"
09:45 < fltrz> 2 seconds, I can get mfr
09:46 < Llamamoe> fltrz: Where did you get it from?
09:46 < Llamamoe> Oh I already asked, sorry <_<
09:48 < fltrz> Perstorp Capa polycaprolactones
09:48 < fltrz> ask if you could get a sample and simultaneously ask for the price at different volumes
09:48 < Llamamoe> Why is asking for price at different volumes important? To suggest that you might want a lot?
09:49 < Llamamoe> Hmm
09:49 < fltrz> I was at the time sincerely considering a business that would use a lot
09:49 < Llamamoe> fltrz: How do you find suppliers of stuff?
09:49 < fltrz> yes its why I suspect theysent a kg for free
09:49 < Llamamoe> I know very very little about this kinda stuff
09:49 < Llamamoe> As I have never possessed any money until very recently, and still have not worked at all
09:49 < fltrz> Llamamoe, I don't remember, this was years ago, still have about half
09:50 < Llamamoe> Are there like sites listing suppliers of all kinds of things?
09:50 < Llamamoe> Any keywords to type into google to find stuff better?
09:50 < Llamamoe> Any tips on dealing with them?
09:50 < fltrz> Llamamoe, pretty sure I just went to the perstorp website
09:50 < Llamamoe> How did you find the website? :o
09:50 < Llamamoe> Is it just googling like normal?
09:51 < fltrz> huh apparently they sold the Capa division https://www.perstorp.com/en/news_center/news/2019/perstorp_completes_sale_of_capa/
09:51 < fltrz> to ingevity
09:51 < fltrz> https://www.ingevity.com/markets/capa/
09:52 < Llamamoe> What interests me more is just in general, how does one gain access to this world's supply chains?
09:52 < fltrz> 404's here
09:52 < Llamamoe> I know almost everything can be obtained, but I do not know how
09:52 < fltrz> Llamamoe, dunno, I'm not really in the supply chains, its just one of my rare interactions
09:53 < fltrz> Llamamoe, but I have been ogling aliexpress, if you use consumer terms you get consumer crap, but if you use more specific terminology you can find suppliers of subcomponents
09:54 < Llamamoe> Yeah AliExpress and Alibaba are great
09:54 < Llamamoe> But also like, trusting cheap Chinese stuff is... not always ideal
09:54 < fltrz> "like 5mm earphone speaker driver"
09:54 < fltrz> *like "...
09:55 < Llamamoe> My main issue is that the site tries hard to display you barely-relevant stuff
09:55 < Llamamoe> So even if you type keywords, you get a lot of bullshit
09:55 < Llamamoe> Especially if you try to sort
09:56 < fltrz> yeah aliexpress etc can be very annoying but was relieved that with effort specific parts could be found
09:56 < fltrz> its not just "milk western consumer wallets with knock off consumer products"
09:57 < fltrz> but what irks me most is also what irks me about ebay etc, that the platforms don't autodetect product classes and provide figures of merit, or even better allow the user to define a figure of merit formula
09:58 < Llamamoe> Tbh
09:58 < Llamamoe> I am used to a Polish online e-store thingy
09:58 < Llamamoe> The first time I used Amazon, I thought I landed on a shitty clone site because of how garbage it is
09:58 < Llamamoe> It's virtually unusable
09:59 < fltrz> yeah
09:59 < Llamamoe> It seems optimized to force you to use their (probably scummy as shit) default sorting algorithm and show you fucktons of semi-relevant stuff in hopes you buy it
10:00 < fltrz> even electronics sites like digikey and mouser, while a lot better for search, are annoying regarding API access, and still can't enter formulas etc. like you can find many audio interfaces, suppose you want to sort by cheapest price per adc channel, with THD / dynamicr range /etc meeting certain criteria
10:01 < Llamamoe> Yeah, the world seriously needs to optimize its data accessibility
10:01 < fltrz> the data is often incorrect, and even if it were, it doesn't allow entering formulas like that, you have to scrape...
10:02 < fltrz> even if its in the interest of the winning chip mfr, its not machine readable
10:03 < fltrz> it would also provide an exit out of the "bulk of consumers dont recognize quiality => quality becomes hard to find on the market" problem, as it provides opportunity and incentive for mfrs to engage with potential customers and explain the figures of merit, and the advantages of their niche figure of merit settings
10:04 < fltrz> so the buying process becomes educational
10:07 < Llamamoe> Hey this is a long shot, but, any idea how I could find an orthodontist online to ask questions?
10:07 < fltrz> once it becomes hardcore figure of merit battle, the amount of misrepresentation will increase, and characterization would be done by independent labs, preferably making some spice or multiphysics sim model of the device
10:07 < fltrz> Llamamoe, there might be a relevant irc channel?
10:07 < Llamamoe> Hm.
10:08 < Llamamoe> Let's see
10:08 < fltrz> unlikely now I think of it
10:09 < Llamamoe> Yea no dice
10:09 < fltrz> online they promote sugar, softdrink and offline they fix it
10:09 < Llamamoe> Doctors don't tend to like advertising their presence online
10:11 < lsneff> New preamplifier pcb finally arrived
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19:06 < saxo> fenn: pester llamamoe
19:16 < kanzure> no
19:22 < fenn> ok
19:23 < fenn> i love how the last line was llamamoe quitting
19:48 < kanzure> https://github.com/Chia-Network/clvm
19:49 < fenn> "a LISP-like language for encumbering and releasing funds with smart-contract capabilities."
19:51 < kanzure> https://github.com/Chia-Network/chia-blockchain/blob/a9efe1347a18e4181c322e207ac2b8a83295cfd2/tests/test_spendbundle.py
19:52 < kanzure> hrm not a good example, doesn't show the clvm part
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20:03 < kanzure> end of file is a little crazy https://github.com/Chia-Network/chia-blockchain/blob/main/src/wallet/puzzles/coloured_coins.clvm
20:03 < kanzure> oh those are tests/comments
20:13 < kanzure> versus https://github.com/ElementsProject/simplicity/blob/pdf/Simplicity-TR.pdf
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