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05:17 < Llamamoe> fltrz: Mow
05:27 < fltrz> Llamamoe, I think easiest to find out is ask the seller for the datasheet (make sure you mention you already know its PCL and you just want the precise datasheet to check for plasticizer, if you don't show you know its PCL they might think you are trying to find that out to skip themm and buy straight from mfr)
05:29 < Llamamoe> fltrz: Yea asked the seller, got a 2016 SDS sheet, it just says >= PCL (a different name for it but the CAS code matches)
05:29 < Llamamoe> it doesn't really say who issued the SDS or who the manufacturer is
05:39 < fltrz> Llamamoe, I *should* still have the datasheet I had from perstorp (I suspect your PCL to come from the same facility, even if it changed owners). I will see if I can find the datasheet through archive.org blast from the past. But got a few things to do so will take a few hours before I look into itl
05:39 < fltrz> *should* because X hard drives later...
05:39 < Llamamoe> fltrz: Why do you suspect that? :O Is there a single globally main manufacturer?
05:39 < Llamamoe> I got mine from some random dude selling it on a Polish e-store
05:40 < Llamamoe> The SDS is in Polish FWIW
05:41 < fltrz> Llamamoe, then mke sure the seller understands your concern over plasticizers for biocompatibility, and literally explain you're not trying to economic access to his supplier, but information access to the supplier
05:42 < Llamamoe> Hm
05:42 < fltrz> also, did you thoroughly check the packaging for any hints?
05:43 < Llamamoe> It literally just came in a plain zipper bag lol
05:43 < fltrz> yes, sounds like the place ordered a big batch and just pours it in zipper bags. Perhaps careful inspection of the darasheet?
05:44 < fltrz> Llamamoe, did you try finding the very same datasheet online, to see where he downloaded it from?
05:44 < fltrz> might have rewritten the datasheet so that the original suppliers logo are missing
05:45 < Llamamoe> fltrz: He's not the only one selling identical bags, hmm. But yeah, I should try to look it up
05:45 < fltrz> he possibly translated the datasheet while censoring the supplier details
05:48 < Llamamoe> But each page is an image, the document title is "Convert JPG to PDF online", and the only anyhow at all identifiable piece of info is filename and date in the sheet
05:48 < Llamamoe> Zero info about where it came from, who issued the sheet, anything
05:51 < L29Ah> huh so many papers about Urolithin A are produced recently
05:53 < Llamamoe> What's that about?
05:54 < L29Ah> senolytic stimulating mitochondrial autophagy
05:54 < L29Ah> still seems too early to eat it
05:56 < Llamamoe> L29Ah: So something that causes mitochondria to get offed.. or?
05:59 < L29Ah> something that causes old mitochondria to get consumed
05:59 < Llamamoe> And then they presumably get replaced with new ones?
05:59 < L29Ah> yup
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06:34 < kanzure> fltrz: not much lately
06:42 < kanzure> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5262967.msg55722022#msg55722022
07:01 < kanzure> https://github.com/qpdf/qpdf
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08:16 < fltrz> kanzure, perhaps you have friends who are intimately familiar? I'd like some kind of "reading roadmap" to get up to speed with the main competing FHE systems, not just as a library user, but actually grasping the math behind it. If they ask what the prerequisites are, they may assume familiarity with math behind more conventional crypto, but not something like ring learning with errors... Do you think you could get a reading list for me?
08:17 < fltrz> kanzure, I'm kind of trying to avoid going through the literature chronologically because I can not recognize the eventually now abandoned "dead ends"
08:19 < fltrz> of course tricks / techniques from the dead ends may be revived but I think digging those up as they happen will be easier if i'm up to speed with how current FHE systems work
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10:39 < kanzure> fltrz: ask in #bitcoin-wizards
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11:31 < fltrz> kanzure, good idea, I'll come around to doing just that
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12:40 < nmz787> I'm unclear on what PCL is you've all been talking about
12:53 < lsneff> It's a nylon-like polymer that has a very low melting point, so it can be manipulated with hot water or a heat gun.
13:27 < nmz787> this was for some sort of biological injection?
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14:30 < fltrz> nmz787, people have different uses for it, for me its currently for making in ear molds
14:30 < fltrz> nmz787, Llamamoe wants to use it to make dental retainers, possibly pimped to fix his breathing issues
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14:39 < docl> .title https://foresight.org/new-funding-opportunity-from-u-s-doe/
14:39 < saxo> New Funding Opportunity from U.S. DOE - Foresight Institute
14:40 < docl> best I can tell, funding to APM is in the millions, not billions
14:40 < docl> drmeister's spiroligomer research is one of the five projects covered under that
14:42 < docl> .title https://www.utdallas.edu/news/science-technology/2-4-million-grant-supports-research-to-improve-atomically-precise-manufacturing/
14:42 < saxo> $2.4 Million Grant Gives Big Boost to Atomic-Level Manufacturing Project - News Center - The University of Texas at Dallas
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15:32 < lsneff> That's very interesting
15:33 < docl> lsneff: yeah, Moheimani looks to be right up your alley
15:33 < lsneff> was about to say
15:33 < lsneff> i wonder if I should talk to adam about that
15:37 < docl> good idea
15:38 < kanzure> bring adam here
15:39 < lsneff> I'd be surprised if he isn't aware of this channel already
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15:45 < kanzure> i don't remember telling him
15:46 < kanzure> fltrz: fwiw i host those logs
15:48 < nmz787> adam?
15:49 < docl> marblestone, right?
15:49 < lsneff> marblestone
15:56 < lsneff> i'll mention it to him next time I talk to him
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18:26 < fenn> PCL = polycaprolactone = shapelock = fantastic plastic = instamorph = thermomorph etc etc
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