--- Log opened Fri Jan 22 00:00:22 2021 00:16 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:24 -!- honeytubes [~honeytube@86.8.201.246] has joined ##hplusroadmap 00:36 < archels> juri_: this recent report might be of interest to you https://www.openphilanthropy.org/brain-computation-report 00:45 -!- honeytubes [~honeytube@86.8.201.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: wallet42___ 01:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: wallet42___ 01:21 -!- MarkOtaris [mkosmatrix@wikimedia/Mark-Otaris] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:21 -!- nikivi[m] [nikivimatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-vwxkgtcbibettbdf] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:42 -!- ottavio [~m0ttv@unaffiliated/m0ttv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:43 -!- ottavio [~m0ttv@unaffiliated/m0ttv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:51 -!- ottavio [~m0ttv@unaffiliated/m0ttv] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:07 -!- nikivi[m] [nikivimatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-akklaflmtthcefjh] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:13 -!- Malvolio is now known as MALV220121 02:18 -!- MALV220121 is now known as RedNeckBeard 02:23 -!- MarkOtaris [mkosmatrix@wikimedia/Mark-Otaris] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- ottavio [~m0ttv@unaffiliated/m0ttv] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:34 -!- RedNeckBeard is now known as Malvolio 02:42 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@178235180067.dynamic-4-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 03:49 < fltrz> still 36,800? << you loose all credibility if you specify even second or even first digit, let alone a third... 03:50 < fltrz> (unless also specifying error) 03:56 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnoibviitykjpusp] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:01 < fenn> plus or minus a metric zillion 04:02 < fenn> ZFLOPS 04:03 < fenn> there are some pretty thorough brain atlases out there. surely someone can compute something meaningful based on the available data 04:06 -!- Jenda` [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:09 -!- user___ [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 04:09 < nsh> sure you just determine how many neurons there are that look like shovels and it's easy to infer how many holes you could dig in a day 04:26 -!- user___ is now known as Jenda` 05:14 -!- honeytubes [~honeytube@cbs2-pnwn2-0-0-cust12.5-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:18 -!- honeytubes_ [~honeytube@213.104.127.31] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:21 -!- honeytubes [~honeytube@cbs2-pnwn2-0-0-cust12.5-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:22 -!- honeytubes_ [~honeytube@213.104.127.31] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23 -!- honeytubes_ [~honeytube@213.104.127.31] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:42 -!- honeytubes_ [~honeytube@213.104.127.31] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:42 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:30 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamagedd@178235180067.dynamic-4-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:06 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:28 -!- honeytubes [~honeytube@cpc104718-belf11-2-0-cust477.2-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:09 < docl> .tw https://twitter.com/lsparrish/status/1352646703975956482 08:09 < saxo> My modest hope for 2021: Someone uses spiroligomers to create scalable artificial photosynthesis and wins the Musk carbon capture prize // Resulting attention to spiroligomers fuels their pharmacological adoption so we don't have to worry about pandemics any more (@lsparrish) 08:15 < lsneff> have you asked schafmeister whether he has plans in that area? 08:25 < docl> I haven't reached out to him directly, but he has said small molecule drugs that do what antibodies do is a near term focus, and that artificial photosynthesis is possible with this. 08:26 < lsneff> sounds difficult 08:28 < docl> What sounds difficult about it, specifically? 08:31 < lsneff> designing a catalyst to do photosynthesis 08:32 < lsneff> that's still not really been figured out 08:33 < docl> The steps are: collect CO2, split CO2, create stable carbon containing molecules e.g. polyethylene or diamond 08:34 < docl> Calcium oxide reacts spontaneously with CO2 to make limestone/calcium carbonate, so that part is basically solved 08:35 < docl> Or you can use lithium, etc. as your base 08:36 < lsneff> Musk's goal, which he may not have mentioned, is to turn CO2 into CH4 08:36 < docl> So basically what you need is a series of catalysts to cause the reaction you want, with the ones that consume energy being fueled by sunlight 08:37 < docl> He mentioned in another tweet that it needs to be stable, so longer chains. I'm mentioning polyethelene because that's a methane chain 08:39 < lsneff> oh, interesting 08:49 < docl> .title https://extension.psu.edu/how-plastic-is-made-from-natural-gas 08:49 < saxo> How Plastic is made from Natural Gas 08:49 < docl> Looks like they use ethane rather than methane as the main feedstock for polyethylene 09:01 < docl> in polymer terms, methane is the monomer, ethane is the dimer. there's also a process to turn methane into ethane, of course, but industrially they are going with what is cheapest and there's ethane naturally present in natural gas sources.. 09:05 < docl> anyway the hard part is splitting the O2 from CO2 with a relatively efficient sunlight powered method. solving that by itself probably wins the musk prize. 09:21 < docl> hmm. this is claiming solar co2 to fuel is already accomplished 09:21 < docl> .title https://technology.nasa.gov/patent/TOP2-160 09:21 < saxo> Patent Details 09:21 < docl> .title https://patents.google.com/patent/US9528192B1/en 09:21 < saxo> US9528192B1 - Solar powered CO2 conversion - Google Patents 09:25 < docl> still, I wonder if spiroligomers are more scalable 10:18 -!- honeytubes [~honeytube@cpc104718-belf11-2-0-cust477.2-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:21 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:34 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@82-64-99-84.subs.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:36 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@unaffiliated/urchin] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:42 -!- sanehatter [sanehatter@gateway/vpn/mullvad/sanehatter] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:30 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:32 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:02 < lsneff> I may end up doing work with the schafmeister group this summer. 14:03 < docl> nice! 14:11 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:16 < lsneff> If things go well 14:18 < docl> good luck! 14:44 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:94c7:2931:5718:4176] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:02 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:24 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@66.183.0.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:31 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@66.183.0.205] has quit [Changing host] 16:31 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:45 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@66.183.0.205] has joined ##hplusroadmap 16:48 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@66.183.0.205] has quit [Changing host] 16:48 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:04 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-94-112-205-34.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19 < fenn> musk's goal with the carbon capture prize is to stop global warming. making methane is a long solved problem (1800s chemistry) 17:20 < fenn> methane is a particularly bad carbon storage molecule because it has high energy per atom of carbon 17:20 < fenn> all those hydrogens 17:20 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnoibviitykjpusp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:22 < fenn> better to pump it into old gas wells where it can react with the rocks to form carbonates 17:23 < fenn> also "capture" means grabbing the CO2 from a process stream or the atmosphere, and putting it in a bottle or pipeline of mostly pure CO2 17:24 < fenn> it's great if you can also fix the carbon into a more stable form, but that's not strictly necessary 17:48 -!- sanehatter [sanehatter@gateway/vpn/mullvad/sanehatter] has quit [Quit: -] 17:49 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:94c7:2931:5718:4176] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:02 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:20 < fenn> there's a real world jurassic park theme park you can go to 18:23 < fenn> or possibly some kind of ARG ad campaign for another movie 18:24 < fenn> with all the effort they put into building these sets they might as well turn it into a real theme park 18:24 < fenn> the park is closed for covid-19 and/or a threatening volcano? 18:26 < fenn> anyway they could make some awesome animatronic dinosaurs on some island and pretend they're real 18:33 < fenn> in the pretend-dinosaur park you could also have real plants and animals and educate people about genetic engineering 19:49 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:04 -!- Jenda` [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:06 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08 -!- user__ [~jenda@coralmyn.hrach.eu] has joined ##hplusroadmap 21:11 -!- user__ is now known as Jenda` 23:08 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Jan 23 00:00:23 2021