--- Log opened Sun Apr 04 00:00:15 2021 00:22 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 01:01 -!- pointfree [uid204397@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-edutkfzrrkgipzpy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:35 < streety> nmz787__: I forget exactly how I calculated the value I came up with. I think the density was about the middle of several given on wikipedia, then assumed the pile would be 50% air, then got a value for kJ/kg. Plenty of wiggle room in there - size of pile, compactness, energy density, etc. 03:35 < streety> The idea of getting the power company to delivery you fuel for free so you don't have to buy power from them is delightful 03:36 < streety> I think there is also a service where tree surgeons will give you chips for free as well 03:36 < streety> Just have to take whatever you are given 03:37 < streety> https://getchipdrop.com/ 03:38 < streety> were you planning to rent/buy a chipper yourself or get someone in to chip the piles you have. Might be a good way to start a longer term relationship 03:42 < streety> fenn: not strictly relevant but wasn't there a story by Charles Stross, William Gibson, or someone in that genre with a character who was a 'sovereign citizen' because they carried a nuclear bomb around with them 03:42 < streety> robot cat sentries powered by nuclear decay as well 03:43 < streety> The ratio of U235 was also higher several hundred million years ago. Perhaps everyone was too busy avoiding the dinosaurs 05:53 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has quit [Quit: wear 3 masks to flatten the curve!] 06:57 -!- Jay_Dugger [~jwd@47.185.203.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:25 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@unaffiliated/malvolio] has joined ##hplusroadmap 11:56 < nmz787__> streety: was planning to buy a chipper, but after reading about the APL systems, it seems consistency of size is quite important for preventing jamming of the feed from the hopper.... which means I need a less-common chipper. Having trees and trails means I'll need chips for mulching the trails at least annually 11:57 < nmz787__> one thought I had on chipdrop and similar services, is, being relatively rural (40 minutes from the metro center) might mean it'd happen rarely 11:58 < nmz787__> on the other hand, there could be a bunch of houses on say 5 acres who like to keep their yard pristine 12:01 < nmz787__> the power at the rural house seems to be $0.16/kWh... so I think I need to calculate how much effort keeping something like this running daily would be, or what sort of break-even or payoff period would look like 12:02 < nmz787__> it seems selling the "waste" biochar could be a good business 12:03 < nmz787__> and the power company seems setup to sell solar power back to their grid, so I will contact them about other production methods, if they care or not. The only restriction I saw said no production systems larger than 25kW 12:04 < nmz787__> fenn: 30kW is the max load, but they seem to say 25 is more realistic given inconsistency in moisture content... also their minimum load is 3kW, which is more reasonable 12:04 < nmz787__> but I haven't ever really thought about what I might do with excess electricity that I *needed* to use 12:04 < nmz787__> start smelting ore or cracking water or something, idk 12:05 < nmz787__> some sort of CO2 capture, bosch haber process? 12:10 < darsie> mine cryptocoins? 12:12 < nmz787__> eh 12:12 < nmz787__> I guess 12:12 < nmz787__> that seems so boring though 12:18 < nmz787__> I thought I saw some article headline not too long ago saying that crypto's lifecycle cost analysis put it as being way worse in terms of the environment versus normal money 12:18 < darsie> Recently bitcoin used more electricity than Argentina :( 12:27 < superkuh> But not more energy than Argentina used to maintain it's standing army. 12:29 < superkuh> PoW is decent in terms of defense when you think of it that way. 12:29 < superkuh> And non-violent. 12:29 < superkuh> Whereas fiat is pretty dang violent. 12:35 < jrayhawk> nmz787__: those headlines are projections under the assumption that bitcoin is using average power generation (mixed fossil fuels and renewables) rather than the cheapest power generation (speculatively overbuilt renewables for projected future demographic growth i.e. chinese hydropower) 12:36 < jrayhawk> it would be like claiming the datacenters out in Bonneville are burning coal 12:36 < jrayhawk> it's just ignorant 12:41 < jrayhawk> ethereum is a bit weirder at the moment since the highest-memory-bandwidth cards are not really commoditized anymore 12:43 < nmz787__> something I just read said a single bitcoin transaction takes the energy required by 100k Visa transactions 12:44 < nmz787__> err, 435k 12:45 < jrayhawk> and may represent the aggregated movement of 100k visa transactions 12:45 < nmz787__> it also says that bitcoin as a whole uses half as much as vampire currents from idle devices in U.S. homes 12:45 < nmz787__> also I don't remember the bandwidth requirements of being a miner or transactor or whatever options there are 12:46 < nmz787__> for a more practical energy consumption, I just thought of grow lights 12:48 < jrayhawk> depends on the exact requirements; a miner or verifier itself is <1M/m, but there are conditions under which maintaining a mempool of potential transactions (which can happen elsehwere) can be more. 12:48 < jrayhawk> er, <1MB/m 12:56 < jrayhawk> or, rather, as a miner, you want to be able to transfer 2-4MB as fast as possible every 10 poisson minutes, which is low average, but rather bursty. 12:58 < jrayhawk> every 6 seconds lost in transfer time is 1% lost mining time 13:12 < nmz787__> hmm, well, one internet option I'm looking at is a 5Mbps LTE data plan, so possibly mining bitcoin is not the best idea 13:42 < jrayhawk> https://www.mycryptobuddy.com/BitcoinMiningCalculator you should play around with a projection calculator a bit and be honest about the cost of your personal time 14:08 < L29Ah> a bitcoin miner doesn't need much bandwidth 14:08 < L29Ah> it doesn't need a blockchain even, strictly speaking 14:08 < L29Ah> it only needs the target to mine 14:09 < L29Ah> as seen in mining pools 14:09 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:15 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 14:31 < kanzure> "Chaperone-mediated autophagy sustains haematopoietic stem-cell function" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03129-z 14:33 < kanzure> using energy is not morally bad 14:38 -!- pompolic [~A@unaffiliated/pompolic] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:19 < kanzure> why the bad repo name? https://github.com/NAalytics/Assemblies-of-putative-SARS-CoV2-spike-encoding-mRNA-sequences-for-vaccines-BNT-162b2-and-mRNA-1273 15:25 < jrayhawk> SEO, maybe? 15:35 < L29Ah> or someone has a single level pile in his ~ 15:36 < kanzure> https://siasky.net/ 16:03 -!- mrdata_ [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:03 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:44 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:57 -!- balrog [~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:30 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:42 -!- mrdata- [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 17:55 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@unaffiliated/mrdata] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:07 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:26 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:00 < lsneff> did the mega drive/mach effect ever get shown to actually exist? 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