--- Log opened Sun May 16 00:00:56 2021 00:36 -!- Hooloovo0 [Hooloovoo@sorunome.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:43 -!- Hooloovo0 [Hooloovoo@sorunome.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 02:07 -!- thedragon [thedragon@gateway/vpn/mullvad/thedragon] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52 -!- thedragon [~thedragon@141.98.255.152] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:01 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:40d8:a4e5:da4f:f992] has joined ##hplusroadmap 05:34 < kanzure> https://festival.igem.io/ 05:37 < kanzure> https://igem.org/Team_Wikis?year=2020 05:44 < kanzure> https://hackaday.com/2021/05/15/a-phased-array-ultrasonic-3d-scanner-from-scratch/ 05:50 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=85eee818 Michael Folkson: Add Matt on LDK >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/chaincode-labs/2021-05-12-matt-corallo-ldk/ 05:50 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=9c27a091 Michael Folkson: Merge pull request #222 from michaelfolkson/add-matt-ldk >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/ 05:50 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=b2f70d37 Bryan Bishop: Merge remote-tracking branch 'github/master' >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/ 05:52 < gradstudentbot> Ugh, my clinical trial isn't going so well. 06:55 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrnffkkbnfgfofqy] has joined ##hplusroadmap 07:13 < Jay_Dugger> I have a Valve Index, lsneff. 07:15 < kanzure> value index? 07:16 < Jay_Dugger> No, that's a stock ticker symbol. 08:31 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 08:59 < lsneff> kanzure: get your mind out of the financial gutter 09:06 < kanzure> "A ride through the epigenetic landscape: aging reversal by reprogramming" https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11357-021-00358-6 09:07 < kanzure> https://www.anti-agingfirewalls.com/2021/01/02/more-on-younging1-0-the-emerging-aging-reversal-strategy/ 09:39 -!- juri_ [~juri@178.63.35.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:00 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-103-108-133.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 10:01 -!- juri_ [~juri@178.63.35.222] has joined ##hplusroadmap 12:52 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mhwikzudxttikhfj] has joined ##hplusroadmap 13:39 < lsneff> looks like spacex is starting to use Rust internally 13:39 < lsneff> starship is made out of steel afterall 13:43 < L29Ah> [joke about javascript control ui] 13:46 < superkuh> That's an okay place to use Rust. There's no need to have anyone else but themselves run it which Rust has problems with. 13:46 < superkuh> Rust devs are a lot like JS devs in that they use $newfeature immediately without caring about forwards compatibility. 13:47 < superkuh> Can't compile Rust code written by hip dev today on Rust compiler from 2 months ago. 13:47 < lsneff> Err, you can. Rust is backwards compatible back to 1.0 from 2015/2016. 13:48 < superkuh> Backwards, but not forwards. 13:48 < TMA> basically, that's a shared feature of all immature languages 13:48 < superkuh> ie, try using the rustc in Debian 11 (not even released yet) to compile code from $today. 13:48 < lsneff> Ah, I misread that. 13:48 < lsneff> Yeah, Rust is still gaining some important features. 13:48 < lsneff> But most updates are quite minimal. 13:49 < superkuh> I bet it'll be a cool language in a handful of years. But right now I'm not touching it. 13:50 < lsneff> Honestly, I'm not sure what else will be added. Const generics will probably be expanded a bit, custom allocators will get added, and maybe associated generic types. 13:50 < lsneff> I can't think of anything else major. 13:51 < superkuh> It's not so much new features that are the problem. It's early adopter devs using them. Even Bash gets new features constantly. But bash devs know not to use them. 13:51 < TMA> I like that it is a bit restrictive with respect to the usual C paradigm "let's just write the contents of this possibly uninitialized value through this random pointer" 13:51 < lsneff> Also, it's not recommended to use rustc from Debian, they're extremely slow about getting new versions in. 13:52 < superkuh> Deb 11 has 1.48. I think they're at 1.50 now? or something around there in rust-land. 13:52 < superkuh> But there's a reason all rust tutorials, write-ups, examples, etc always say to use rust-up and get the compiler from outside your repos. 13:52 < lsneff> 1.53 is going to release in a week or so 13:52 < superkuh> Because things are changing fast. 13:52 < lsneff> *sorry, a month 13:53 < lsneff> I get your point, but I'm not sure I agree with it 13:57 < lsneff> Ah, so the rustc version in Debian 11 is nearly half a year out of date. 13:57 < superkuh> You say that like it's a long time. 13:58 < lsneff> It is with rust because it has a different release schedule than C++ and many other projects. 13:58 < lsneff> Instead of a massive amount of changes every 3 years, you get a trickle every 6 weeks. 14:01 < lsneff> It's not better, just different 14:35 -!- Sir_Alexei [uid348072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mhwikzudxttikhfj] has quit [] 14:44 < fenn> they should do a -testing and -stable release schedule instead, which should satisfy both camps 14:45 < fenn> with a rolling release schedule there's no schelling point for people to agree upon automatically 14:53 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 15:04 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:33 < lsneff> They do have nightly, beta, and stable branches. Changes don't get in the stable branch after a long period of testing in the nightly branch. 15:49 < kanzure> .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27175622 15:49 < saxo> Missing line in a smart contract leads to $10M hack | Hacker News 16:27 < kanzure> .title https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-May/018927.html 16:27 < saxo> [bitcoin-dev] Introductory Video on Blockchain Commons UR/QR Tech Now Available 16:30 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-103-108-133.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17 -!- dongcarl [~dongcarl@unaffiliated/dongcarl] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 17:18 -!- dongcarl [~dongcarl@unaffiliated/dongcarl] has joined ##hplusroadmap 18:17 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:40d8:a4e5:da4f:f992] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20 < kanzure> https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/next-500-years 18:21 < kanzure> https://biology.stackexchange.com/ 19:48 -!- thedragon [~thedragon@141.98.255.152] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:40 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrnffkkbnfgfofqy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 22:11 -!- darsie [~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##hplusroadmap 22:25 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36 -!- dustinm [~dustinm@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##hplusroadmap 23:43 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-103-108-133.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap --- Log closed Mon May 17 00:00:57 2021