--- Log opened Wed May 26 00:00:06 2021 01:42 < SDr> hm 01:42 -!- SDr [~SDr@unaffiliated/sdr] has left ##hplusroadmap ["SDr"] 02:36 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:46 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:9028:63be:9801:afb2] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:36 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-102-171-8.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##hplusroadmap 06:58 <@fenn> "With the track record that the new staff have I'm kinda concerned about the security of people who are still connected especially the idlers. 06:59 <@fenn> As a server dev I've found RCE exploits in IRC clients entirely accidentally before just by sending them valid but unexpected messages." 07:04 < kanzure> wrong channel 07:04 < kanzure> oh nevermind --- Log closed Wed May 26 07:12:32 2021 --- Log opened Wed May 26 07:18:20 2021 --- Log closed Wed May 26 07:20:51 2021 --- Log opened Wed May 26 07:21:27 2021 --- Log closed Wed May 26 07:46:25 2021 --- Log opened Wed May 26 07:48:04 2021 --- Log closed Wed May 26 07:48:17 2021 --- Log opened Wed May 26 07:48:32 2021 --- Log closed Wed May 26 07:49:01 2021 --- Log opened Wed May 26 07:49:19 2021 07:49 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@user/gnusha] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:49 -!- Topic for #hplusroadmap: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | pardon the dust | this channel is LOGGED: http://gnusha.org/logs | https://diyhpl.us/wiki | not quite sponsored by george church | banned by the MIT media lab and the FDA 07:49 -!- Topic set by fenn [~fenn@user/fenn] [Wed May 19 15:37:47 2021] 07:49 [Users #hplusroadmap] 07:49 [ ^ditto ] [ chiastre] [ L29Ah ] [ pasky ] [ sivoais ] [ yashgaroth] 07:49 [ abetusk] [ faceface] [ livestradamus] [ ptrcmd ] [ sknebel ] 07:49 [ Agatha ] [ fenn ] [ lsneff ] [ redlegion] [ srk ] 07:49 [ archels] [ gnusha ] [ maaku ] [ s0ph1a ] [ superkuh ] 07:49 [ balrog ] [ jrayhawk] [ mrdata- ] [ saturn2 ] [ Urchin[emacs]] 07:49 [ berndj ] [ kanzure ] [ otoburb ] [ SDr ] [ xeb ] 07:49 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 31 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 31 normal] 07:49 -!- Channel #hplusroadmap created Wed May 19 06:51:36 2021 07:51 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 116 secs 08:23 < lsneff> are we back here? 08:23 < lsneff> been away for a while 08:23 < superkuh> I hope so. 08:45 -!- gradstudentbot [~gradstude@user/gradstudentbot] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:45 -!- gradstudentbot [~gradstude@user/gradstudentbot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46 -!- gradstudentbot [~gradstude@user/gradstudentbot] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:49 < fenn> back where? 08:52 -!- mgxm [~mgxm@user/mgxm] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:52 < superkuh> Libera, I assume. 09:06 -!- FelixWeis [sid154231@id-154231.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:49 < kanzure> brlcad has moved to #brlcad:matrix.org 10:20 < lsneff> smart, moving off a protocol that’s like 50 years old and wasn’t great when it was invented 10:25 < fenn> enjoy your confetti effects and reaction gifs 10:29 < redlegion> using matrix on mobile is incredibly painful and slow 10:59 < kanzure> https://patrickcollison.com/fast 11:03 -!- thedragon [~thedragon@user/thedragon] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:22 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@user/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:35 < ^ditto> [freenode] l> WANTED: Trans-Universal Transportation Equipment. Please PM ME offers. (Do not reply here as I will not see your message.5643 12:36 < xeb> all attempted replacements of irc are in fact regressions 12:36 < xeb> it's some kinda iron law of protocols 12:36 < xeb> main regression category: recentralisation, subornment to corporate schmucks 12:37 < xeb> or else unaudited behemoth codebase 12:49 < fenn> there's definitely room for improvement wrt encryption and identity 12:54 < redlegion> there's always room for improvement, but at least you're not using msgpack to shoehorn json into being "less bulky" 12:56 < kanzure> so what do you guys say, should we sell him a trans-universal retro encabulator or are we hiding that technology from him? 12:58 < fenn> you better not touch my trans-universal turbo encabulator 12:58 < fenn> he can have the retro encabulator 13:08 -!- thedragon [~thedragon@user/thedragon] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36 < mrdata-> the retro encabulator was always the best one, imo 13:45 -!- fenn [~fenn@user/fenn] has quit [Quit: packing up my logs] 13:48 -!- thedragon [~thedragon@user/thedragon] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:03 -!- fenn [~fenn@user/fenn] has joined #hplusroadmap --- Log closed Wed May 26 14:27:15 2021 --- Log opened Wed May 26 14:27:15 2021 14:31 -!- fenn [~fenn@user/fenn] has quit [Quit: I'm reloading!] 14:36 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@user/urchin] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:44 -!- fenn [~fenn@user/fenn] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:30 < gnusha> test 16:10 < ^ditto> [freenode] ^ditto: do you send to the libera equivalent? 16:10 < ^ditto> [freenode] <^ditto> nmz787: Error: "do" is not a valid command. 16:10 < ^ditto> [freenode] ^ditto: send 16:10 < ^ditto> [freenode] <^ditto> nmz787: Error: "send" is not a valid command. 16:10 < ^ditto> [freenode] ^ditto: 16:10 < ^ditto> [freenode] ^ditto: -h 16:10 < ^ditto> [freenode] <^ditto> nmz787: Error: "-h" is not a valid command. 16:10 < ^ditto> [freenode] ^ditto: help 16:11 < ^ditto> [freenode] <^ditto> nmz787: Use the 'list' command to list all plugins, and 'list ' to list all commands in a plugin. To show the help of a command, use 'help '. 16:11 < ^ditto> [freenode] ^ditto: list 16:11 < ^ditto> [freenode] <^ditto> nmz787: Admin, AutoMode, Channel, Config, Misc, Network, NickAuth, Owner, PluginDownloader, RelayNext, User, and Utilities 16:11 < ^ditto> [freenode] ^ditto: RelayNext 16:11 < ^ditto> [freenode] <^ditto> nmz787: Error: "RelayNext" is not a valid command. 16:11 < ^ditto> [freenode] ^ditto: list RelayNext 16:11 < ^ditto> [freenode] <^ditto> nmz787: add, clear, list, nicks, remove, and set 16:11 < ^ditto> [freenode] ^ditto: list Network 16:11 < ^ditto> [freenode] <^ditto> nmz787: capabilities, cmdall, command, connect, disconnect, driver, latency, networks, reconnect, uptime, whois, and whowas 16:11 < ^ditto> [freenode] ^ditto: list Misc 16:11 < ^ditto> [freenode] <^ditto> nmz787: apropos, clearmores, completenick, help, last, list, more, noticetell, ping, source, tell, and version 16:20 < fenn> yes it's an echo bridge 16:20 < fenn> limnoria 16:38 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@user/superkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@user/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:12 < kanzure> commit hook is broken 17:14 < jrayhawk> still? 17:14 < jrayhawk> what's the error message 17:14 < kanzure> that was a while ago, nevermind 17:14 -!- potatope [sid139423@id-139423.tooting.irccloud.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:53 < L29Ah> xeb: XMPP is less centralized than IRC and is not subornment to corporate schmucks 17:54 < xeb> channel/group/conversation functionality missing. 17:54 < L29Ah> MUC? 17:54 < L29Ah> it's there, in XEP 0045 17:55 < L29Ah> not sure about the behemoth codebase as it's a free protocol with plenty of implementation at both client and server side 17:56 < L29Ah> s 17:56 < xeb> aye, xmpp wouldn't come under either of those issues 17:56 < xeb> but it doesn't have great adoption. clients haven't been fantastic either 17:56 < L29Ah> ad populum 17:56 < L29Ah> IM clients aren't fantastic in general 17:57 < xeb> i'm observing nor arguing :) 17:57 < xeb> *not 17:57 < xeb> just noting that nobody's made something as good as irc yet 17:57 < L29Ah> you are arguing as you stated that all IRC competitors are inferior in specific ways 17:58 * xeb makes submissive gestures with little enthusiasm 17:58 < L29Ah> and adoption is not a feature of a protocol per se 17:58 < xeb> if i see a thing like irc happen i'll know 17:58 < xeb> i haven't 17:58 < xeb> there's nothign to dispute 17:59 < L29Ah> i'd say XMPP has more users than IRC because there's a gateway that transparently maps IRC as XMPP for XMPP users ;) 18:00 < xeb> i think it's fine plumbing. it's not the finished experience 18:00 < xeb> that an irc network has afforded relatively stably for decades 18:00 < xeb> that's not a value judgement 18:00 < xeb> just observation again 18:00 < L29Ah> experience, huh? i wouldn't call having to mess with bouncers a fine experience 18:01 * xeb smiles 18:01 < L29Ah> (of course the gateway fills this shortcoming of the IRC protocol as well) 18:08 < superkuh> It's not a shortcoming. It's a feature. The shortcoming is in mobile computing technologies that people chose to use that can't hold open a TCP connection. 18:08 < superkuh> Having a centralized server store logs is not great. 18:09 < superkuh> Well, "servers". 18:12 < L29Ah> TCP/IP is not designed to survive path changes 18:12 < L29Ah> server-side log storage is opt-in 18:14 < L29Ah> it's sad indeed that we don't have permanent IP addresses that we can use worldwide, but routing would become a huge PITA if we had 18:14 < L29Ah> lots of cheap hardware we get away with today would have to be upgraded with lots of space for all these routing cache queries 18:15 < L29Ah> so the consensus is that we solve the problem at the upper levels, if it indeed matters for the application (usually it doesn't) 18:39 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:9028:63be:9801:afb2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@user/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:50 -!- thedragon [~thedragon@user/thedragon] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:51 -!- Guest67 [~Guest67@2603-8080-f806-1a40-1493-145f-908b-d2ef.res6.spectrum.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:55 -!- Guest67 [~Guest67@2603-8080-f806-1a40-1493-145f-908b-d2ef.res6.spectrum.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:59 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@31.14.40.19] has joined #hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu May 27 00:00:20 2021