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04:54 < lsneff> Yeah, they're a mess. Not that I was going to join their company in the end, but they ghosted me :/
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05:48 < ^ditto> [freenode] <web-92> Looks like they gutted the topic here because offended.
06:47 < kanzure> what is the topic?
07:38 < streety> there doesn't appear to be one
07:43 < kanzure> https://github.com/bbc/react-transcript-editor
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11:30 < fenn> i wonder who is teaching people to say things like "CAD has not been innovated in quite some time."
11:31 < fenn> as if you're doing a bathroom renovation
11:31 < fenn> innovation is something that happens once
11:33 < fenn> "Because of the response, we knew what we had to do to: start a company." in my recollection, they were going to start a company before publishing the "manifesto"
11:37 < fenn> it will all end in tears
11:39 < fenn> if someone really wanted an open source free-software cad program that was actually good, they would just make a custom front-end for blender
11:40 < fenn> and i hate that "cat" logo, just gross
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12:50 < Urchin[emacs]> not every CAD does the same thing anyway
13:24 < jrayhawk> one need but look at the wide ecosystem of catia, autodesk, and solidworks addons to see that there's always more to implement
13:39 < abetusk> There's plenty of innovation to be done in CAD, especially on the web end, but, imo, it's tied to the tools that are used to create the end product.
14:22 < nmz787> the only "web" CAD I think needs innovating is manufacturers offering DRM-protected models of replacement parts for 3D printing
14:23 < nmz787> and like, the UPS store or something common needs to start offering printing services as commonly as they do for paper printouts
14:34 < fenn> if you're going that route, why even let the consumer have the 3D model, just make them order it from a local supplier
14:35 < fenn> if the supplier has to print on demand, that's a totally different scenario than giving away your geometry
14:35 < fenn> it's not like DRM can possibly work
14:36 < fenn> i do think that cloud rendering and simulation farms should be a thing
14:36 < fenn> it's much better to spool up 100 servers for a minute and get your results in one minute, vs waiting 100 minutes
14:37 < fenn> and you shouldn't need to own 100 computers just to get simulation results quickly
14:37 < fenn> (yes i know about amdahl's law)
14:38 < nmz787> yeah direct order from a local "trusted" printer would be fine too, but I think they'd still be in the situation of wanting DRM
14:38 < fenn> sure, back room theft happens all the time
14:39 < nmz787> cause you know, the officeMax guy who's on his way out might just swipe a USB stick full of models
14:39 < fenn> a lot of people seem to want to do everyting in the browser, and for some reason those same people don't just switch to chrome OS
14:39 < nmz787> lol
14:39 < fenn> this is what i think when people say "on the web end"
14:39 < nmz787> moving rural has made me appreciate non-cloud a lot more, even though I already appreciated it pretty well
14:40 < nmz787> stuff like the "My Documents" folder on my work laptop is now part of Microsoft "OneDrive" which is like an auto-backup thing
14:41 < nmz787> and things like video recordings of meetings are no longer stored locally, which means even though "I" recorded it, I later have to download it to review/replay
14:41 < nmz787> which is just... pretty dumb IMO
14:41 < nmz787> processing the internal file format into an MP4 or whatever didn't take that long on my laptop in the before-time
14:41 < fenn> heh 100% of my windows stuff is in the "downloads" folder because i want my own ontology
14:42 < fenn> "my libraries" what the hell does that even mean
14:42 < nmz787> auto updates are another thing... these companies are so set on big-data and big-bandwidth... half of the web is a PITA to load on a slow connection (or poor ping connection)
14:43 < nmz787> I've taken to browsing the web.... through the cloud
14:43 < nmz787> using a VNC/remote desktop
14:43 < fenn> yeah, probably going to need something like that
14:43 < nmz787> because the 8 billion AJAX requests that don't sustain a connection or whatever, just doesn't work 
14:44 < fenn> another project i'll never get around to
14:44 < fenn> some kind of proxy server that shrinks all the images to appropriate sizes, strips out all the junk, does all the javascript back and forth, then serves a static html webpage
14:45 < fenn> imagine trying to browse the web from mars
14:46 < fenn> 6-40 minute latency
14:46 < nmz787> that project sounds pretty useful for pretty much all of rural america
14:46 < fenn> well it might already exist, i haven't looked recently
14:46 < nmz787> you could brand it "the web deFENNder"
14:47  * fenn winces
14:48 < fenn> i'll call it the proxy user agent: "PUA"
14:49 < fenn> it will leave carefully crafted feedback in the logs to make web devs feel bad about themselves yet somehow strangely attracted
16:09 < maaku> maybe speed of light concerns will finally push web protocols back towards decentralized/distributed content storage
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23:36 < maaku> .title https://aerospace.org/paper/physics-space-war-how-orbital-dynamics-constrain-space-space-engagements
23:36 < saxo> The Physics of Space War: How Orbital Dynamics Constrain Space-To-Space Engagements | The Aerospace Corporation
23:53 < fenn> if the military wants people to understand space combat, they should make a realistic video game simulator that's sorta fun for some types of people
23:53 < fenn> there's just so little realism out there, it's no wonder nobody has any idea
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