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05:20 < docl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a-nvGzVJt0
05:20 < docl> .t
05:20 < saxo> 2019 KidneyX “Redesign Dialysis – Phase I” Winners: Temple University - YouTube
05:46 < docl> .t https://www.osti.gov/biblio/1660546
05:46 < saxo> Atomically Precise Membranes for the Separation of Gases (Technical Report) | OSTI.GOV
05:48 < docl> A company in Florida called Mainstream is reproducing the spiroligomer work and using it for gas separation membranes
06:28 < kanzure> .wik mind transfer (novel)
06:28 < saxo> Article not found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_transfer_(novel) gave 404 | Searched en for 'mind transfer (novel)' | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_result_found gave 404 | Searched en for 'No result found'
06:28 < kanzure> .wik Mind Transfer (novel)
06:28 < saxo> "Mind Transfer is a science fiction novel by Janet Asimov (as Janet Jeppson Asimov), published by Walker Publishing Company, Inc. in 1988." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_Transfer_(novel)
06:32 < kanzure> gerikson: greetings
06:37 < kanzure> jrayhawk: thanks for the link, i would have missed the first polygenic screening birth.
06:38 < kanzure> bioviva had an annoncement recently about intranasal stem cell therapy i think
06:38 < kanzure> announcement, rather.
07:33 < kanzure> "New intranasal and injectable gene therapy for healthy life extension" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.26.449305v1
07:35 < kanzure> ok it wasn't intranasal stem cells.
07:47 < gerikson> kanzure: thanks
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07:48 < jrayhawk> CMV strikes me as likely to causing some negative quality-adjustment
10:31 < kanzure> longecity is still around?
10:44 < docl> appears to exist https://www.longecity.org/forum/page/index.html
11:45 < streety> 30-40% increase in lifespan but with group sizes of only 7.
11:46 < streety> would be nice to see more information on housing
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15:35 < fenn> here we go again with another trademark theft from volunteers that run a project. the company MuseCY apparently noticed that the digital audio editing software audacity's icon and logo were not trademarked, and registered them with the USPTO, then issued a bunch of press releases claiming they "acquired" audacity, welcoming the project to the corporate family, yadda yadda. and there is no mention
15:35 < fenn> of them on the actual project pages, but of course everybody laps it up as if "the deal" had actually happened somehow.
15:46 < gerikson> lol is that true?! 
15:46 < gerikson> the parallells to Freenode are uncanny 
15:56 < sknebel> fenn: well they are mentioned in the new CLA on the project pages. and they are adding code. so *something* has happened
15:57 < fenn> there are no previous web scrapes in the wayback machine for either the privacy policy or CLA, so i can only assume these pages didn't exist before this company involved itself
15:58 < sknebel> yep, that's new
15:58 < fenn> there is no mention of muse or anybody involved with them at http://www.audacityteam.org/about/credits/
15:59 < fenn> some of those people are dead so either they had already signed a CLA or the code they wrote does not belong to muse
16:00 < fenn> i haven't really found much online about this whole situation
16:01 < sknebel> there were shitstorms all along the way. I think back in may about the aqusition, then the telemetry thing, then the CLA, now the privacy policy for the mandatory crash reporter, ...
16:08 < sknebel> the exact details of what and how are annoyingly unclear (and NDAd), but it seems like the founders and current core contributors where involved to some degree and handed over their rights to the code. how fair etc that process was ... who knows
16:09 < fenn> does it seem like that? i haven't seen anything confirming anybody's involvement except pre-existing employees of muse
16:09 < fenn> dominic mazzoni even still has a trademark registered
16:10 < fenn> not like he's active anymore, but one would expect that he had contributed a lot of code that can't easily be rewritten
16:14 < sknebel> at least one trademark originally registered by him is now listed as "last listed owner:  MUSECY SM LTD. CORPORATION CYPRUS SPYROU KYPRIANOU, 84 4004 LIMASSOL CYPRUS"
16:15 < sknebel> and they had some quotes from him in their press releases, and  if they'd made that part up without anything behind it I'd expect some public statement by him by now, even if he isnt really involved anymore
16:18 < sknebel> (similar with the CLA: if they are pushing that now and announce they have the CLA agreement from all main contributors, there has to be some reason why there isn't a loud "no, not mine" shout... so something has happened)
16:18 < sknebel> entire thing seems weird, why be so intransparent
16:19 < fenn> alright well i'm having trouble with USPTO search now
16:19 < fenn> there are dozens of contributors listed, there's no way they slipped a CLA in without someone complaining in public about it
16:21 < sknebel> I don't know how the numbers are, they are acting as if "we have the main people, everyone else has done little enough we can rewrite that if you force us" (which of course is also ... murky when/how exactly that works, but afaik what other projects also have done when relicensing)
16:25 < kanzure> sanity check please https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib/pull/261/files
16:26 < fenn> "audacity 3.0" was entirely about a backwards compatibility breaking file format change
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16:56 < fenn> huh. there is a document on USPTO showing dominic mazzoni transferred the audacity trademark to MuseCY for 1 dollar on 2020-12-01
16:56 < fenn> or at least it's a document with a signature on it
17:02 < fenn> my guess is they offered to do all the legal work defending against trademark BS
17:02 < kanzure> alpine does not seem to have libeay32 and i am confused
17:09 < fenn> actually it says "one dollar and other good and valuable consideration" which could mean anything
17:10 < fenn> a phrasing used when one side wishes to conceal the nature of the payment
17:15 < kanzure> huh, must be recent, luck of the draw hitting the bug https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/issues/12763
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