--- Log opened Mon Jul 05 00:00:57 2021
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11:38 < ^ditto> [freenode] <Jay_Dugger> Hello, everyone.
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11:44 < Jay_Dugger> Hello, everyone.
11:51 < kanzure> Jay_Dugger: greetings. how goes?
12:18 < kanzure> https://siastats.info/storage_pricing
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13:10 < abetusk> kanzure, do you use sia?
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13:23 < Jay_Dugger> Can't complain. Home feeding a sick cat.
13:23 < Jay_Dugger> All well with you, kanzure?
13:52 < fenn> mrow
13:52  * fenn makes sick cat noises
13:58 < Jay_Dugger> Dental work, actually. 
14:15 < kanzure> abetusk: no but i consider vorick a friend
16:38 < fenn> posting for the mind-numbingly long list of acquisitions http://ia.net/topics/monopolies-apple-and-epic
17:05 < jrayhawk_> helpful lists, but narratively odd. apple list of acquisitions, especially, does not look particularly anti-competitive.
17:07 < fenn> it seems like once a company gets acquired by one of these giants, they never produce anything useful ever again, and then are quietly shut down five years later
17:07 < fenn> just a colossal waste of human talent
17:08 < jrayhawk_> not all market opportunities are long term. Coral Lisp wasn't going to be a success story either way.
17:08 < fenn> all that work just ends up in the dumpster
17:09 < jrayhawk_> there was no way of knowing that ahead of time
17:09 < fenn> it's not worthless. look at blender for example, it was in the same situation
17:09 < jrayhawk_> how so?
17:09 < fenn> company went bankrupt, they were selling off the assets
17:10 < fenn> one of the former employees created a fundraiser to purchase the license and release it as open source
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17:10 < jrayhawk_> NeXT's work did a lot better at Apple than they did on their own
17:11 < jrayhawk_> I suspect that's true of most of these companies, but I haven't heard of almost any of them
17:11 < fenn> with IP especially you have a very narrow window of opportunity to do something like that. while people are still around and know enough to salvage the thing, but after the company has been declared defunct
17:11 < jrayhawk_> definitely the other lists look a lot shadier
17:11 < fenn> look don't get distracted by the apple vs whoever
17:12 < fenn> i'm just talking about mega acquisitions
17:12 < fenn> tencent is on my shitlist too
17:13 < fenn> find out about cool new thing -> research it -> find out it's been acquired and you'll never be able to use it
17:14 < fenn> whether anticompetitive or because they are just poaching talent, it's the same effect for everyone else
17:18 < jrayhawk_> i think it is very important to get distracted by, you know, actual good-vs-bad outcomes
17:18 < jrayhawk_> not all acquisitions are disasters
17:19 < jrayhawk_> some organizations are better than others at developing ideas
17:19 < jrayhawk_> it's worth trying to work out how and why, and that includes via means of organizational transfer.
17:19 < fenn> sure, there are good and bad acquisitions
17:20 < fenn> sony should have acquired e-ink instead of letting it drag along for decades accomplishing little
17:22 < fenn> but it's very rare that i hear "we're excited to be joining the X family!" and then something good actually comes out of it
17:23 < fenn> https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/
17:24 < jrayhawk_> yeah, i think there's a survivorship bias going on there, where the things you've heard of were already successful at some degree of marketing *before* they were acquired, which makes them 1) much more likely to be anticompetitively targeted and 2) much more likely to be overhyped and unceremoniously killed off after acquisition
17:25 < jrayhawk_> if grownups had been in charge of magicleap, it would've been strangled in its crib a lot earlier, for instance, instead of billions of dollars getting thrown at it
17:26 < jrayhawk_> same with theranos
17:34 < jrayhawk_> so, with those lists, the thing i take away is "wow, most of these are no-name or already-failed acquisitions that are very unlikely to be eliminating competition, absorbing a locked-in community, or taking advantage of a hype cycle", which makes me actually update towards respect for competently run megacongolmerates and the acquisition process
17:35 < jrayhawk_> but some of the lists make organizations look way worse
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18:30 < fenn> million dollar startup idea #43256: a keyboard shortcut to activate voice recognition and paste the contents wherever the mouse is, activated by a non-modal key e.g. the windows key. you hold down the button, voice recording is activated, say something, text magically appears under your cursor, release the button, voice recording stops
18:30 < fenn> or it could be a mouse button if you have a fancy mouse
18:30 < fenn> personally i would just use caps-lock
18:30 < kanzure> android has that but you have to click a button because phone people don't believe in keyboards anymore
18:31 < fenn> or buttons
18:31 < kanzure> and by click a button i mean the screen..
18:31 < fenn> which basically defeats the whole purpose of voice interaction
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18:59 < maaku> fenn: that's built into macos and ios
18:59 < maaku> in macos you can even do offline transcription, so no sending the audio recording to Apple's servers
19:05 < fenn> seems like it's a toggle mode, which is not what i'm describing
19:07 < fenn> i'm thinking about how awful it is to have to lift your hand off the mouse to type in the name of some object when using a program like blender
19:07 < fenn> i just want to say "moths" and it names the object
19:07 < fenn> (because it's a moth)
19:08 < fenn> but then you get into all the horrible problems with automatic voice detection and false positives and stuff, when i can easily tell it when to start and stop
19:09 < fenn> for short word detection, turning on and off a dictation mode feels bad, and it can get stuck in the on mode when you don't expect it
19:10 < fenn> millions of people know how to use push to talk walkie talkies already and it works great, but computer stuff never works like that for some reason
19:12 < fenn> and it should be guaran-fucking-teed to record the audio clip, none of those "user must wait while i swap thrash and install some updates behind your back" stuff
19:14 < fenn> a hardware buffer built into a mouse would not be out of line
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19:14 < fenn> or into the keyboard
19:15 < fenn> this could all be completely separate from the computer, except for the text that gets sent at the end
19:17 < fenn> http://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Macintosh
19:57 < L29Ah> grab your favorite FOSS voice recognition software and do it
19:57 < L29Ah> keyboard people don't like sending their voice to Google or Apple to recognize as much as phone people do
20:00 < L29Ah> and i'd argue that detecting starts and stops is much easier than the actual recognition, especially if you aren't pronouncing literary English
20:13 < fenn> but 99% of the time i don't want it to do anything at all
20:27 < maaku> fenn: I don't use it much, by my machine is configured such that you would have to click in the text-entry field to activate it, then hit the diction button (double-tap control, I think?), speak, and then hit the button again.
20:28 < maaku> no need to move the mouse hand to the keyboard
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21:04 < maaku> I think it's implemented within the UI element, so it needs to be using the Apple UI controls
21:05 < maaku> so it's not quite as generally useful as what you describe
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