--- Log opened Thu Jul 08 00:00:00 2021
02:08 -!- Croran [~quassel@2601:601:1880:7780:7cf4:f6ed:e5d0:db58] has joined #hplusroadmap
05:55 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.highgate.irccloud.com] has joined #hplusroadmap
07:45 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:68b8:1f78:65b2:1544] has joined #hplusroadmap
10:27 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.highgate.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
10:28 < lsneff> It's annoying how fundamentally broken most build systems are
10:39 < L29Ah> lsneff: how is GNU make broken?
10:40 < lsneff> make and things like that are broken because they don't solve dependency management 
10:42 < lsneff> Oh, plus a build system using make is likely to only work on unix systems
10:52 < L29Ah> dependency management is a job of a package manager, not a build system
10:55 < lsneff> It turns out they need to be integrated to work well
10:57 < lsneff> Apt is widely used, but it doesn't help software work better 
11:06 < L29Ah> apt is barely a package manager
11:06 < L29Ah> consider modern ones, like portage, nix or guix
11:07 < L29Ah> that don't pretend that stuff beyond unpacking archives and comparing versions is a maintainer's headache
11:56 < lsneff> You're totally right that those are a lot bettter
11:56 < lsneff> I just wish they were more widely used
11:57 < lsneff> The embedded dev world is even further behind than the rest of the C and C++ ecosystems
13:38 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.highgate.irccloud.com] has joined #hplusroadmap
14:35 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@user/urchin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
16:32 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@user/urchin] has joined #hplusroadmap
16:37 -!- yashgaroth_ [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:68b8:1f78:65b2:1544] has joined #hplusroadmap
16:40 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:68b8:1f78:65b2:1544] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
18:13 -!- yashgaroth_ [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:68b8:1f78:65b2:1544] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:47 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.highgate.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
18:56 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@user/urchin] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Urchin[emacs]`))]
18:56 -!- Urchin[emacs] [~user@user/urchin] has joined #hplusroadmap
19:03 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap
20:02 -!- Croran [~quassel@2601:601:1880:7780:7cf4:f6ed:e5d0:db58] has quit [Quit: Croran]
21:37 -!- deltab [~deltab@user/deltab] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
21:42 -!- deltab [~deltab@95.154.230.49] has joined #hplusroadmap
22:31 -!- ^ditto` [~limnoria@crap.redlegion.org] has joined #hplusroadmap
22:31 -!- ^ditto [~limnoria@crap.redlegion.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
22:31 -!- ^ditto` is now known as ^ditto
23:13 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
--- Log closed Fri Jul 09 00:00:01 2021