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04:33 < fenn> watching these unedited ape interactions is really frustrating because you can tell what the ape is asking for and the stupid human tries to twist it around and make it about something else
04:35 < fenn> and there's this constant power dynamic where the ape is literally a prisoner and has no control over anything
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04:36 < fenn> i'm not surprised that they turn violent after this
05:07 < docl> anyone working on a cool project?
05:27 < L29Ah> only warm projects here now
05:28  * L29Ah emerges from his bath
05:28 < docl> right on
05:32 < docl> I feel like gnu make has some rather counterintuitive design decisions. like indendation apparently is not only significant but you're supposed to use literal tabs? I can forgive it not being a package manager, but this kind of stuff is glaring
05:35 < L29Ah> this sounds 100% intuitive to me
05:36 < docl> literal tabs are a curse, why would you make that necessary for a makefile? I have to edit my vimrc to allow them
05:36 < L29Ah> simple to describe, trivial to implement, easy to use
05:36 < L29Ah> i don't
05:36 < L29Ah> i think vim doesn't do any vile mangling for tab symbols you enter to it out of the box
05:37 < L29Ah> so you should blame yourself for your misconfiguration ;P
05:37 < docl> if I don't configure vim to turn it into spaces I have to hit space a bunch of times for proper indentation
05:39 < L29Ah> i hit tab for proper indentation; for compatibility with space-minded people i use https://github.com/tpope/vim-sleuth
05:39 < L29Ah> i suspect it would work the other way around as well
05:42 < L29Ah> oh and apparently you can override your broken configuration by hitting ctrl-v tab
05:43 < docl> ctrl-v puts me in visual mode
05:44 < L29Ah> from the insert mode?
05:44 < docl> ah, it works from insert mode
05:45 < docl> well, that's useful
06:05 < docl> also .RECIPEPREFIX lets me use something other than a tab, although it doesn't let me use spaces
06:32 < fenn> .title http://youtu.be/2Dhc2zePJFE
06:32 < saxo> Kanzi and Novel Sentences - YouTube
06:32 < fenn> she's wearing the welder mask to avoid giving unintentional cues
06:36 < fenn> i have to wonder why he grabbed the jelly jar before she said jelly
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08:20 < fenn> man they really overloaded this test with a moral quandary that didn't need to be there. http://youtu.be/UlVav49NGBU?t=39s
08:20 < fenn> .title
08:20 < saxo> First False -Belief Test Passed by Ape (Kanzi’s sister, bonobo Panbanisha) TheoryofMindPB - YouTube
09:41 < Jay_Dugger> Huh. GSA auctioning off LTC. First time I've seen that. Novel?
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