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07:12 < kanzure> heath: yes that was the lizard regeneration thing i mentioned.
13:37 < fenn> skip to halfway in http://hackology.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/videos/rtvfx-3-hd720-20.mp4
13:37 < fenn> realtime ultra swole pikachu control
13:38 < fenn> needs more joints tho
13:42 < fenn> like it should be real easy to just move the whole model around based on head pose
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15:01 < streety> I discovered today it's possible to get an IV drip in the middle of the mall. There's the phone case stand, the crepe stand, and then the IV drip stand. Very unexpected. Their anti-aging drip is uninspiring - B complex (not including B12), 1.2g glutathione, and amino acids. 
15:18 < fenn> that is quite surprising. i tried to buy some IV drip bags but they're all prescription only
15:18 < fenn> will they bleed you for an extra fee? :)
15:19 < fenn> replacing half your blood plasma with saline might actually do some good
15:26 < streety> they had some blood tests but presumably small volumes
15:26 < streety> there is a blood donor centre in the same mall - only ~500 ml though
15:29 < fenn> "Drips start at around $20 and last about ten minutes." in tokyo
15:30 < streety> I did find a price list but I think their basic hydration was £75
15:30 < streety> https://getadrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Menu_GAD_FEB2.pdf
15:31 < streety> Their vitamin D test is competitively priced
15:32 < fenn> wow skimming the comments it seems there is a lot of (american) hate for this
15:34 < streety> on IV drips generally or a specific location/provider?
15:34 < fenn> generally
15:39 < streety> it's definitely low on my list for unconventional health/medical experimentation
15:42 < fenn> i'm just angry that it's impossible to adequately prepare for emergencies
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15:45 < fenn> the menu you shared seems unreasonably expensive
15:47 < streety> no suspect alibaba sources for IV bags? Are you looking at just fluids or specific drugs?
15:47 < fenn> just fluids, saline or ringer's
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15:48 < streety> It looks like they use trained nurses and it's going to be low volume - it is expensive but I'm surprised it's not more expensive. I'm tempted by the vitamin D test though - that's actually cheaper than the mail order options and collecting the sample yourself
15:49 < streety> How much need is there for IV fluids that can't be met by oral administration or an enema?
15:51 < fenn> it's standard first aid for gunshot wounds in the military
15:51 < fenn> are you bleeding a lot? yes -> IV drip
15:52 < fenn> if you're out in the middle of nowhere you have to be able to do enough first aid to actually survive the trip to a hospital
15:53 < fenn> but you're not allowed to get the supplies needed to stay alive, for your own safety, of course
15:56 < streety> really? I thought there had been a change in approach through the recent Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts - medevac to hospitals being the overriding priority with hypotension being tolerated until in an advanced trauma centre
15:57 < fenn> they do it in the helicopter or while waiting for the helicopter
15:57 < streety> If you're going to be in the wilderness I think many of the rules around prescriptions are relaxed, I don't have much experience but the one time it applied we had some interesting supplies
15:58 < fenn> uh no, you're still supposed to follow the same laws as everyone else
15:58 < fenn> and you still can't get stuff that's regulated
15:58 < fenn> it may be possible to talk to a doctor and get prescriptions, i don't konw
16:00 < streety> the laws don't change but what is reasonable to prescribe changes with your possible needs
16:01 < yashgaroth> don't replace half of your blood with saline, use plasma or at least some have albumin in there
16:02 < yashgaroth> they had freeze-dried plasma in ww2 it can't be that hard to diy
16:06 < yashgaroth> the main change in approach out of recent wars is 1) tourniquets are good actually 2) hemostatic agents and 3) body armor over vital organs, I don't think medics routinely lug plasma around but they sure have it in the medevac
16:08 < streety> would stockpiling your own freeze dried plasma still be beneficial or would you just be reintroducing all the toxins you are trying to remove?
16:10 < yashgaroth> current thought is that it's proteins causing the general bad and/or aging effects in your current blood, so crude plasma preps wouldn't remove those - hence why the secret sauce in those anti-aging plasma transfusions is a particular fraction of plasma (derived from the aptly named plasma fractionation), but you could diy that it's just extra steps
16:13 < yashgaroth> if you're setting up a plasma freeze-drying operation at home, adding fractionation wouldn't be too hard (they're just using the albumin fraction, I'd bet)
16:14 < streety> no current plans, perfectly happy with donating blood every 12 weeks for the moment. 
16:15 < yashgaroth> honestly leeches do offer both bloodletting and anticoagulants, not a bad combo
16:16 < streety> perhaps a Christmas present idea for my friends and family
16:22 < streety> £10/ea not crazily priced and do seem to be easily obtained
16:28 < yashgaroth> leech market seems ripe for disruption
16:29 < yashgaroth> "uber for leeches" did not show up on my VC bingo card
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16:32 < streety> definitely a perception issue though, I don't think I'm the only one a little squeamish around leeches - I wonder how far you can get with a lancet and a beaker of EDTA solution
16:32 < redlegion> you can always sell excess leeches to fisherman as well
16:42 < yashgaroth> will have to run the numbers on lancet+EDTA vs. leech+xanax
17:41 < fenn> .title http://imgur.com/a/SnSIQRu
17:41 < saxo> CLIP + VQGAN keyword comparison by @kingdomakrillic - Album on Imgur
17:41 < fenn> AI imitating various styles
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22:03 < nmz787> .tell yashgaroth uber for leeches sounds like an app I'd use more than regular uber (which is basically never)
22:03 < saxo> (.to)
22:03 < nmz787> .to yashgaroth uber for leeches sounds like an app I'd use more than regular uber (which is basically never)
22:03 < saxo> Okay, I'll pass that message along to yashgaroth
22:50 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_exchange "Since returning red cells causes the body to replace plasma more rapidly, a donor can provide up to a liter of plasma at a time and can donate with only a few days between donations, unlike the 56-day deferral for blood donation."
22:50 < fenn> "Depending on the collection system and the operation, the removed plasma may be replaced by saline. The body typically replaces the collected volume within 24 hours, and donors typically donate up to twice a week,"
22:51 < fenn> i wonder about vaccine effectiveness over time with plasma donation
22:52 < nmz787> does the plasma have white cells, or just non-cellulars?
22:53 < nmz787> .wik blood plasma
22:53 < saxo> "Blood plasma is a yellowish liquid component of blood that is freed from blood cells, but holds proteins and other constituents of whole blood in suspension." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_plasma
22:53 < fenn> they always say "red blood cells" so i wasn't sure
22:55 < fenn> with a plasmapheresis machine it should be possible to remove nearly 100% of the aging-causing fraction in one shot
22:55 < fenn> if you knew what that was
23:03 < fenn> you whip out your smartphone and within ten minutes a hearse with diplomatic immunity operated by the jamaican embassy pulls up to your curb. you get inside and drive around the block whilst trained technicians hook you up to a blood filtering machine and several monitors
23:08 < fenn> state your preferences: slim, athletic, voluptuous? music videos play on the ceiling as the world blurs out past the windows. you wake up two days later and twenty years younger, the same, but different...
23:08 < fenn> also you are now a vampire
23:09 < fenn> because of course you are
23:11 < nmz787> if I am feeling particularly depressive, can I choose to get peoples' discard plasma? What if I want to be unhealthy just to punish mself
23:37 < nmz787> .wik water microphone
23:37 < saxo> "A water microphone or water transmitter is based on Ohm's law that current in a wire varies inversely with the resistance of the circuit." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_microphone
23:37 < nmz787> "On March 10, 1876, when Bell and Watson tested their first successful water transmitter, Bell used a needle in the water to minimize the inertial mass moved by the diaphragm and relied on variable resistance in the meniscus of the water on the needle. The depth of the needle made little difference. "
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