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01:46 < ^ditto> [freenode] <adlai> "code can be written anywhere" is a terribly slippery slope upon which to delineate transhumanism
01:47 < ^ditto> [freenode] <adlai> my main concern is that the false dichotomy between artificial intelligence and intelligence augmentation is scattered inseparably throughout that slope, although some folks might think that it's a quotient map
01:48 < ^ditto> [freenode] <adlai> .wik quotient map
01:48 < ^ditto> [freenode] <adlai> ... finally, a legit reason to ditch the bridge!
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03:07 < maaku> A Fire Upon The Deep, annotated with Vinge's author notes and editor's comments : https://3e.org/vvannot/
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06:41 < kanzure> there's an annotated version?
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10:40 < maaku> kanzure: it's the document Vinge submitted to his publisher, complete with notes to himself, his editor's comments, and his replies
10:45 < maaku> "I need at least 500y grace before any remnant of the Blighter fleet shows up on Tines World"
10:45 < maaku> looks like he has further sequels planned out
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14:08 < fenn> .wik quotient map
14:08 < saxo> "In topology and related areas of mathematics, the quotient space of a topological space under a given equivalence relation is a new topological space constructed by endowing the quotient set of the original topological space with the quotient topology, that is, with the [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotient_map
14:09 < fenn> ah, of course~
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15:51 < fltrz> so theres a YT channel in russian, with russian comments, how do guys translate to english in such a situation?
15:53 < L29Ah> i just don't 
15:53 < fltrz> L29Ah, did you ever see the YT video of the guy cnc engraving a grain of rice?
15:53 < L29Ah> no
15:54 < L29Ah> i would do that with a needle, pvc pipe and an ad-hoc lever
15:55 < fltrz> it has this tiny XY table, obvio recycled from some device, it looks a lot like a dvd stage, but those were always linear in my experience, this person found a device with a micro xy table...
15:55 < L29Ah> interesting
15:56 < L29Ah> i can translate you the info he provides on the device if you link me w/ timecode
15:56 < fltrz> the authors "Levsha" have 2 YT channels an older russian one, and a younger english one with less or no narration. multiple comments ask about the origin of the xy table, one of the comments ask where they saw the video years ago, and someone replies on the russian channel. so I translated Levsha to russian/cyrillic and found the channel and indeed much more narration etc. but mostly russian, and all comments russian
15:57 < fltrz> give me a few seconds as I have to manually type it over. also I don't know if or when the source of the xy tablle is even discussed in the video
15:57 < fltrz> but I suspect its discussed in the comments
16:18 < fenn> in chrome, right click -> translate to english
16:19 < fenn> if yt has auto-captions enabled, the gear lets you do "auto translate" and you can pick your language there, although annoyingly it's never set to the same language as the rest of youtube
16:20 < fenn> you could copy and paste the russian text into google translate
16:21 < fenn> you could use an android phone to recognize the russian audio
16:21 < fenn> i don't have any good non-google options though :(
16:23 < fenn> fun hobby idea: turn your unwanted appliances into free brainteaser puzzles https://lainchan.gay/media/6bbbb70c41be0e6538d3fafbfbd1e572ced2df5ff4a3addf8e0145afc524ca0a.mp4
16:23 < fenn> some comment about "reidemeister move" if you want to learn more
16:29 < fltrz> thanks. apparently its a stabilizer from a camera
16:30 < fltrz> so I guess I need to compile some lists of older cameras with xy stabilizers
16:31 < fltrz> I always assumed they used a small piezo on the lens?
16:47 < fenn> cd roms use voice coil actuators
16:47 < fenn> solenoids pretty much
16:48 < fenn> link2vid plz
16:48 < fltrz> https://m.youtube.cpm/watch?v=2rOFcwo5Ebl perhaps the final l is an I
16:49 < fenn> $ cat ~/bin/title
16:49 < fltrz> the description with translate says the XY table is from a stabilizer of a digital camera
16:49 < fenn> curl -s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=`echo $*|tail -c12` | head -n 30 |tr '<' '\n' | sed 's/^/</'| grep "<title>" | grep -v script | sed 's/<title>//' | sed 's/ - YouTube//' | sed 's|^/$||'
16:49 < fenn> it's garbage but it works
16:51 < fltrz> so its unclear if its a part of the lens assembly, a part of the sensor assembly, or part of an external stabilizer moving a center of gravity?
16:51 < fltrz> Im not finding any results on stabilizer xy tables
16:51 < fenn> looks like a multi-stage planar flexure
16:51 < fltrz> I was hoping there was aftermarket repair parts
16:51 < fltrz> yep it does look like that
16:52 < fltrz> "levsha" (lefty) claims its 2.5 by 2.8mm travel
16:52 < fltrz> either he measured or he even had access to its datasheet?
16:53 < fltrz> I haven't gone through all 1500 russian comments, but perhaps someone asks the camera model and got a reply?
16:54 < fltrz> simply knowing which camera would allow scavenging for broken old cameras
16:55 < fenn> ok now that i see it in operation it's definitely not a flexure
16:55 < fltrz> yeah no it isnt, or its hard to see for me
16:56 < fltrz> its not clear where the carrying intermediate table starts or ends
16:56 < fenn> i have issues with his choice of raster scan as the CAM algorithm, for a simple outline shape
16:56 < fltrz> me too
16:56 < fltrz> Im just interested in the part, not in his non vectorial operation
16:57 < fltrz> he could have gotten finer detail vectorially
17:00 < fltrz> aha shift lens image stabilization
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20:52 < lsneff1> .t http://apm.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=Mechadense%27s_Wiki_about_Atomically_Precise_Manufacturing
20:52 < saxo> Mechadense's Wiki about Atomically Precise Manufacturing - apm
20:53 < lsneff1> Looks like a quite comprehensive wiki about apm with the authors own spin on the idea
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