--- Log opened Sat Oct 09 00:00:30 2021 00:20 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:24 -!- darsie is now known as ava 01:25 -!- ava is now known as darsie 01:32 -!- darsie is now known as ava 01:32 -!- ava is now known as darsie 07:30 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:11d6:dff6:9879:1a93] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:33 < kanzure> https://thebulletin.org/2021/10/do-it-yourself-vaccines-in-a-pandemic-democratized-science-or-home-brewed-pipe-dream/ 09:58 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@user/superkuh] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:02 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@user/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:01 -!- RubenSomsen [sid301948@user/rubensomsen] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- faceface [~faceface@user/faceface] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:50 -!- faceface [~faceface@user/faceface] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:47 < kanzure> https://github.com/openpgpjs/openpgpjs https://openpgpjs.org/ 14:21 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-176-181-220.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:11 < fenn> "the bulletin" makes no mention of cost/benefit tradeoffs, something all vaccine makers have to consider 18:12 < fenn> when a subgroup has a much higher chance of death or debilitation than the rest, it can make sense for that subgroup to have access to early untested vaccines with a much lower confidence in their efficacy or safety 18:13 < fenn> but that's NOT what happened! instead we waited for over a year while hundreds of thousands died 18:14 < fenn> if you look at the pfizer raw data, it's obvious the vaccine was doing something useful after only a few weeks 18:14 < fenn> we should have deployed the vaccine among vulnerable population in under a month 18:31 < L29Ah> what you're saying is incompatible with bureaucratic mentality 18:32 < L29Ah> a bureaucrat doesn't care about missing opportunities but cares a lot about potential risks (for his workplace), as they are much more apparent to one's employer 19:51 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0:11d6:dff6:9879:1a93] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:25 < maaku> fenn: hell, look at vaccine approval for elementary-age kids 23:25 < maaku> FDA made the manufacturers restart trials with larger sizes to detect one-in-a-million cases of heart inflamation 23:26 < maaku> meanwhile, the number of kids aged 5-11 who have died from COVID in the last month already far exceeds the number who might possibly have had heart complications 23:27 < maaku> there's also blood on the hands of school district officials, who are rushing to reopen ALL schools, since it can presumably be safe with vaccine mandates 23:28 < maaku> while forgetting that every elementary school student body is 100% unvacinated 23:29 < maaku> the FDA needs to be disbanded 23:35 < fenn> but "kids don't get it" 23:38 < maaku> sigh 23:42 < fenn> they need oxygen for their developing brains, so they can't wear masks! think of the children! --- Log closed Sun Oct 10 00:00:31 2021