--- Day changed Tue Oct 19 2021 00:19 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:05 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:10 -!- rndhouse_ [rndhouse@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/rndhouse] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:11 -!- Guest1094 [rndhouse@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/rndhouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:29 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamamoe@public-gprs353221.centertel.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:03 < fenn> i meant the original post that the hackernews post was referring to 05:03 < fenn> it might just be formatted badly in my browser and making it seem longer than it really is 06:00 < kanzure> so brainwashing people into believing they are elon musk is.. wrong? 06:00 < kanzure> "The explicit strategy for world-saving depended upon a team of highly moldable young people self-transforming into Elon Musks. For a long time, what was asked of me in order to maintain my funding was to “become a self-debugger” — become capable of working with my own mind effectively enough to be able to change it in the direction that would be useful for the project, which it was ... 06:01 < kanzure> ...assumed was also the direction I’d obviously want, because right now I wasn’t a powerful Elon Musk type, and obviously I was here because I didn’t want to keep being an ineffective, unagentic powerless normie forever (this was not remotely the self-concept or set of concerns with which I entered Leverage, but it was a shameful prospect by the time I left)." 06:01 < kanzure> they are forgetting the important starting ingredient for elon (wealth) 06:01 < kanzure> but they have the rest. 06:41 < fenn> they're brainwashing people into believing they _could_ be elon musk, which is, i wouldn't say "wrong" in a moral sense, but perhaps incorrect 06:43 < fenn> elon was doing high productivity and important stuff long before he became rich 06:44 < kanzure> what about the emerald mine tho 06:44 < fenn> in order to duplicate him, you have to multiply all of these together: intelligence, perseverance, motivation, do-what's-most-important-for-humanity, wealth 06:45 < fenn> only the last two are user-modifiable 06:45 < kanzure> oh the emerald mine story has been disputed. didn't know. 06:45 < fenn> i don't really care, it's not like he got a lot of money from his dad 06:45 < fenn> i think he went to college on a scholarship 06:48 < fenn> less wrong people seem to think that they can modify mental states that normally aren't considered modifiable 06:48 < kanzure> it may be possible but from cult experience i started to wonder if it was just a giant selection effect 06:49 < kanzure> there's a funnel filter and it weeds out resistant minds 06:50 < fenn> could be 07:40 < kanzure> https://www.amazon.com/Shorting-Grid-Hidden-Fragility-Electric-ebook/dp/B08KZ51SDP 09:38 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:29 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@c-73-147-55-120.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:19 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamamoe@public-gprs353221.centertel.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:42 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-176-181-220.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:40 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-89-176-181-220.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46 < maaku> kanzure: the emerald mine thing is a myth 16:51 < maaku> oh, should have read all the scrollback. sorry 16:51 < maaku> kanzure: this lesswrong person comes to the same conclusion re: selection effect 16:57 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:01 < jrayhawk> lesswrong selects for people with a pathological dissociation between kahneman system 2 and system 1 17:02 < jrayhawk> it then proceeds to tell them in a thousand ways, big and small, that their problems will become more tractable if they just let system 2 curbstomp system 1 a little bit more 17:02 < jrayhawk> having trouble socially relating to your peers? time for curbstomping 17:02 < jrayhawk> akrasiatic? curbstomping 17:03 < jrayhawk> chronic depression? that's a definite curbstomping 17:04 < jrayhawk> dissociation: the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems 17:54 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@c-73-147-55-120.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:04 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@2a01:e0a:95:5d90:215:c5ff:fe68:fb04] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 18:08 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@2a01:e0a:95:5d90:215:c5ff:fe68:fb04] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:28 < maaku> daemons live within us 18:32 < L29Ah> https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/08/nato-cognitive-warfare-brain/ 18:33 < L29Ah> https://www.innovationhub-act.org/sites/default/files/2021-01/20210122_CW%20Final.pdf 22:28 -!- faceface [~faceface@user/faceface] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Day changed Wed Oct 20 2021