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06:27 < TMA> I know of the federalist papers, I have never read any. I am no Murican, not well versed in the history thereof. The long and complex sentences are in part a homage to the long and complex sentences of M. Tullius Cicero, whose prose was highly regarded.
06:29 < TMA> Thus by imitating them the man of the letters shows how refined he is or aspires to be. This is cross-language universal among the old litterates of Europe (and by extension of the Colonies).
06:32 < TMA> (And the "he" there is appropriate, for we are speaking of the time, when the woman was relegated to the kitchen and the bedroom.)
06:34 < TMA> ((That in and of itself also means, that no little part is fueled by the need to showcase their plumes to which the males are notoriously prone to.))
06:34 < TMA> (((But I digress.)))
06:40 < docl> adlai: the weird character in the calculus muurkha was talking about is c with an accent on the bottom... "Abadi–Cardelli-style untyped object calculus" per this paper http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/jeremy.gibbons/publications/uto.pdf
06:42 < docl> waiting for legal death is very problematic biologically speaking. easier to confidently claim the patient is alive if they are preserved immediately after a "lethal" injection of barbituates
06:43 < docl> two basic problems that interfere with good preservation are clotting and the agonal phase. best non-induced way to die for preservation purposes is lung problems. heart would be good too but that tends to kill you randomly which makes it worse in practical terms
06:45 < TMA> it is either stigma (sigma tau ligature) or a final form of sigma. it is no C
06:50 < docl> oh, sigma has a final form
06:51 < docl> which looks like a c with a tail on the bottom
06:55 < TMA> it has also a lunate form, which looks like c in its entirety :)  ... it is similar as the ſ/s in latin script
06:56 < TMA> the having an alternate form; however in the Greek language, they use σ/ς even today, the distinction did not die out as the latin ſ/s did
07:00 < docl> I wonder if the choice of "sigma final form" is supposed to draw a connection to summation (uppercase sigma) or if that's a red herring
07:02 < TMA> both σ/ς have an uppercase form of Σ ; ς-calculus and σ-calculus would both be Σ-CALCULUS in uppercase
07:14 < muurkha> yeah, sigma-calculus, sorry
07:15 < muurkha> I have no idea why Abadí and Cardelli picked ς.  I remember that there were a few months I forgot it was the final form and was calling it the σ-calculus
07:16 < muurkha> adlai: I just assume UTF-8 by default
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10:07 < nsh> <adlai> the interlocutor seemed to default to optimism, where the response to unknown conditions is "thaw me and ask", although this has costs: both the expense of the thawing process, and the risks of failure # reminds me of the interrogation at the start of Anathem... 
10:07 < nsh> (when the mathic community opens the gates and inquiries are made to see what the praxics have been up to in the interim)
10:11 < nsh> --
10:11 < nsh> Do your neighbors burn one another alive?” was how Fraa Orolo began his conversation with Artisan Flec.
10:11 < nsh> Embarrassment befell me. Embarrassment is something I can feel in my flesh, like a handful of sun-warmed mud clapped on my head.
10:11 < nsh> “Do your shamans walk around on stilts?” Fraa Orolo asked, reading from a leaf that, judging by its brownness, was at least five centuries old. Then he looked up and added helpfully, “You might call them pastors or witch doctors.”
10:11 < nsh> The embarrassment had turned runny. It was horrifying my scalp along a spreading frontier.
10:11 < nsh> “When a child gets sick, do you pray? Sacrifice to a painted stick? Or blame it on an old lady?”
10:11 < nsh> Now it was sheeting warm down my face, clogging my ears and sanding my eyes. I could barely hear Fraa Orolo’s questions: “Do you fancy you will see your dead dogs and cats in some sort of afterlife?”
10:11 < nsh> Orolo had asked me along to serve as amanuensis. It was an impressive word, so I’d said yes.
10:11 < nsh> -- 
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17:41 < kanzure> "Sci-Hub's lawyers Shrutanjaya Bhardwaj and Sriya Sridhar" that's a cool job
17:46 < kanzure> https://www.cclabs.ai/ in vitro neuron electrode array startup thing
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21:02 < muurkha> today's candidate for "worst abuse of the word 'nanotechnology'": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7094330/
21:02 < muurkha> .t
21:02 < saxo> Applications of nanotechnology in food packaging and food safety: Barrier materials, antimicrobials and sensors
21:07 < muurkha> (the paper is good, it's just an example of the absurd inflation of "nanotechnology"; I'm surprised they didn't mention smoking meats)
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21:57 < maaku> TMA: the federalist papers are actually worth reading, as well as most of Thomas Paine's works (Common Sense, Rights of Man)
21:58 < maaku> it's arguable that Thomas Paine wrote the delcaration of independence too
21:59 < maaku> if it helps, Thomas Paine was an englishman, lol
22:07 < maaku> it is top-tier humanist, enlightenment-era political philosophy that too often gets unfairly relegated to being just american history
22:09 < maaku> whereas it is really philosophical works about human rights, the self-sovereignty of the individual, the moral necessity of democratic governance and the rule of law, etc.
22:10 < maaku> stuff we take for granted now, but it's interesting to read it framed as a radical new proposal, and full of idealism
23:02 < muurkha> aye
23:36 < fenn> yes the federalist papers are interesting because they contain a lot of speculation about how things can go wrong, and strategies for preventing the specific failure mode in question
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