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01:57 < fenn> as we all get older the percentage differences in age decrease, making us closer in age to nearby generations, but the cultural associations won't necessarily follow. so in the end, once we reach longevity escape velocity, nobody will be able to understand each other because none of the references and cultural connotations will make any sense
01:59 < fenn> you'll need to have an AI explainer-bot installed, like a hearing aid
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03:58 < L29Ah> i prefer urbandictionary
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06:29 < kanzure> well, youngification will need not just molecular treatments but also immersive culture education
06:30 < kanzure> "L, $17,000, to breed a line of beetles that can digest plastic. Darkling beetles (and their associated gut microbes) can already do this a little. Maybe if someone selectively bred them for this ability, they could do it better. Plastic is generally considered bad for the environment because it's "not biodegradable", but maybe everything is biodegradable if you have sufficiently advanced ...
06:31 < kanzure> ...beetles."
06:31 < kanzure> i wonder if you could domesticate a beetle, and whether cross-species domestication trends similar genotypes
06:31 < L29Ah> no beetles can handle fluoroalkanes
06:35 < kanzure> not yet
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08:57 < xaete[m]> this sounds like an absolutely braindead idea tbh
08:57 < xaete[m]> like "we'll just take the one thing that's not biodegradable and used because of that and train people to eat it"
09:24 < fenn> yep, it would be less than a decade before "gene drive created to eradicate the plastic-eating-beetle menace"
09:32 < L29Ah> xaete[m]: most of plastic use isn't due to its resistance to insects; moreover i experienced insects chewing through my polypropylene-packed grain stocks
09:32 < L29Ah> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemapogon_granella this shit
10:28 < muurkha> yeah, I've had insects bite through polyethylene bags
10:29 < muurkha> not moths, though, beetles
10:29 < muurkha> xaete[m]: aye, I commented in that thread saying something similar
10:31 < muurkha> Siskind explained that the actual objective is more dangerous: they want to isolate plastic-eating bacteria from the plastic-eating beetles
10:31 < muurkha> which sounds like a worse idea.  might happen naturally tho
10:33 < muurkha> it's probably more accurate to think of plastics as a family of materials rather than just one, though, as L29Ah points out with fluoroalkanes
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17:28 < muurkha> I'm going to push out a finalized version of Dernocua in the next 24 hours or so
17:29 < muurkha> I've just gone through and categorized the notes from January
17:29 < muurkha> if anyone is interested in looking at it to give me feedback, I just uploaded a tarball to http://canonical.org/~kragen/dernocua
18:47 < muurkha> now I've rubricated up through March
19:35 < muurkha> now April
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23:06 < muurkha> now June, and I also got PDF generation working (as much as it ever was)
23:24 < nmz787> generate and post a PDF like you did here http://canonical.org/~kragen/dercuano.20191230.pdf
23:25 < nmz787> also, wouldn't just posting an HTML be easier for jumping back and forth
23:26 < nmz787> i.e. I'm interested in skimming your git section, but I am not confident I can easily jump back with little effort in the browser PDF viewer
23:26 < nmz787> so I just will keep skimming the index
23:28 < nmz787> " (Ramen only costs $2 a package there.)" holy crap, I hope you're just misusing the dollar sign
23:29 < nmz787> it's like $0.2 here or something close to that
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