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00:03 < nmz787> muurkha: "blackberries" umm, yeah I can't recommend anyone actually plant those, at least in an environment that there's any chance of them acting invasive. They're thorny enough that I let probably (honestly) a hundred or few square meters of them go unpicked this year on my land. They're great if they're ripe and you don't have to go deep... but they're quite painful (especially if you fall into 
00:04 < nmz787> them) and they grow like movie-zombies in a bad way
01:07 < muurkha> that's the peso sign
01:07 < muurkha> yanqui ;)
01:09 < muurkha> for our wedding Beatrice and I picked enough blackberries to make a couple hundred jars of blackberry jam to give out to the guests, so I've definitely spent a fair bit of time picking their prickles out of my fingers :)
01:10 < muurkha> they're delicious but they definitely demand respect
01:10 < muurkha> but where did blackberries come up?
01:11 < muurkha> oh, possibly you're looking at Dercuano
01:13 < muurkha> I've just uploaded a Dernocua build to http://canonical.org/~kragen/dernocua with minimal rubrication and formatting up to August
01:14 < muurkha> only about 90 notes to skim and categorize
01:14 < muurkha> remaining
01:36 < nmz787> hehe, that's dedication (the blackberries)... I think other than munching them on hikes, we've only made a pie
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05:07 < muurkha> dunno, I was gonna say that if you've managed to pick them so much you fell in, *that's* dedication
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08:46 < muurkha> Okay, I've uploaded a "complete" version of Dernocua to http://canonical.org/~kragen/dernocua/
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12:01 < kanzure> hmph
12:07 < muurkha> still tweaking it, so feedback in the next hour or two would be very welcome
12:13 < docl> does the Shockley–Queisser limit actually have relevance to photoemissive power?
12:14 < muurkha> I think so, yeah
12:15 < muurkha> but my knowledge of quantum mechanics is pretty weak
12:16 < docl> at any rate the point that a single p-n junction has a particular limit probably relates to how a single low workfunction layer would have a particular (plausibly worse) limit
12:16 < muurkha> probably if I read the paper you found the other day that I linked at the end of the note, I would actually know
12:17 < muurkha> but I think basically the bandgap corresponds to the work function plus the bias voltage in the photoemissive setup
12:18 < muurkha> so the photoemissive setup is strictly worse, by the amount of the work function
12:18 < docl> also hardly any materials have low wf so you basically have to use caesium
12:19 < muurkha> and I think that shifts the optimum to a lower bias voltage
12:22 < docl> I was hoping it was such that you could use higher workfunction materials by adding the bias voltage to that (use a bit higher voltage and say lithium is fine)
12:24 < muurkha> updated http://canonical.org/~kragen/dernocua/ with a new version
12:25 < muurkha> I'm pleased to find that my PDF rendering managed to render the Zalgo text successfully
12:35 < muurkha> hmm, I've slept 3 hours in the last 24; I think I'm going to lie down now for a while
12:35 < muurkha> the heat is killing me
12:35 < muurkha> the air conditioner died and my backup is ice bottles
12:36 < muurkha> I may start vomiting soon
12:37 < docl> ah man that sucks
12:37 < docl> is it humid as well?
12:38 < muurkha> about 60%
12:41 < docl> probably hard to get much evaporative cooling then. got a fan?
14:44 < muurkha> the air conditioner's fan works.  also lying down on several kilos of ice for a while helped
14:55 < docl> good good. just don't run out of ice
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15:04 < muurkha> yeah, there's more freezing in the freezer now
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15:15 < fenn> muurkha: cold shower
15:16  * fenn gets the hose
15:16  * fenn hoses off muurkha before he overheats again, i'm helping!
15:16 < muurkha> not a bad idea!
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15:17 < muurkha> the air conditioner is managing to eke out a little cold air now tho
15:17 < muurkha> may be failing due to brownouts rather than breakage
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15:17 < fenn> brownouts can cause breakage of appliances tho
15:17 < fenn> and laptop power supplies, ask me how i know
15:18 < muurkha> they can, it's true
15:18 < muurkha> but also they can cause appliances that don't actually break to temporarily stop working
15:19 < muurkha> especially things with multi-horsepower AC motors
15:19 < fenn> how does that happen?
15:19 < fenn> is it like a smart grid feature
15:19 < muurkha> no
15:19 < muurkha> the motor doesn't turn fast enough
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15:20 < muurkha> but I only have 41 minutes left before 02022 begins in UTC
15:20 < muurkha> and I forget what timezone zenodo uses
15:24 < fenn> scary
16:01 < muurkha> okay, I think I've stuck Dernocua everywhere.  like the lost catacombs of Egypt
16:03 < muurkha> I... really should have done this yesterday
16:07 < muurkha> because this really didn't need to be so dramatic
16:10 < muurkha> dr_orlovsky: you're in Romania, right?  what date and time do you see on https://perma.cc/2YKX-8Z5G?
16:11 < muurkha> I'm curious whether perma.cc tagged it with my local time or whether it's just *displaying* it in my local time
16:12 < muurkha> actually, fenn, you're in a different timezone than I am, aren't you?
16:12 < muurkha> what date and time do *you* see on it?
16:17 < docl> I see it as 7:02pm
16:17 < docl> I'm in EST
16:24 < muurkha> aha, well, that's unforutnate
16:24 < muurkha> I should have made sure to have it up before noon UTC then
16:45 < muurkha> happy new year to Europe!
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