--- Log opened Mon Jan 31 00:00:45 2022 00:35 -!- mgxm_ [~mgxm@user/mgxm] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:36 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@2a01:e0a:95:5d90:215:c5ff:fe68:fb04] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:36 -!- mgxm [~mgxm@user/mgxm] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:37 -!- HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@2a01:e0a:95:5d90:215:c5ff:fe68:fb04] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:40 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@id-11525.helmsley.irccloud.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:42 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@id-11525.helmsley.irccloud.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:54 -!- webmeister [~webmeiste@user/webmeister] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:00 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:05 -!- Codaraxis__ [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:09 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:10 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:32 -!- Codaraxis_ [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:35 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:05 -!- Malvolio is now known as ProteinSquirrel 05:22 -!- faceface [~faceface@user/faceface] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36 -!- ProteinSquirrel [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:38 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:46 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:46 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:53 -!- Malvolio is now known as Guest7522 05:53 -!- Guest7522 [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Killed (strontium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 05:53 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:56 -!- Malvolio is now known as Guest6566 05:56 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:58 -!- Guest6566 [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:03 -!- Malvolio is now known as Guest2616 06:04 -!- Guest2616 [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:07 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:14 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Killed (tantalum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 06:15 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:20 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39 -!- Codaraxis__ [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:41 -!- Codaraxis_ [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:45 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:46 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:50 -!- Codaraxis__ [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:12 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:13 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:44 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@user/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@user/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:39 < nmz787_> lsneff: well for sure, getting even just a masters enables your career starting salary to be decently higher than just with a B.S., and that allows compounding to enable you to make significantly more in even just a few years of percent-based raises (key example, my wife got MS, I only got BS... she makes a bunch more than me, in the same company) 09:50 < lsneff> nmz787: I’ve definitely heard that a bunch and I think it’s pretty stupid. Not the advice, just that it’s the case 10:01 -!- cc0 [~cc0@2001:bc8:1830:2329::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:01 < L29Ah> > percent-based raises 10:01 < L29Ah> > not "leave for a 30% more-paying company every couple of years" raises 10:02 < maaku> lsneff: end of academic year or calender year? 10:02 < lsneff> maaku: End of the calendar ryear 10:02 < maaku> nmz787_: depends greatly on the field 10:03 < maaku> like, getting a masters for career advancement and greater pay was definately a thing in the aerospace industry (especially when the company paid for it) 10:04 < maaku> in silicon valley startups.. the degree is inconsequential compared to your previous work (even your github resume), and you get 30%+ raises by switching jobs 10:05 < maaku> unless the degree is, like, a PhD in machine learning or something, in which case it is necessary to get your foot in the door at Google AI or whatever 10:06 < maaku> lsneff: you have a job lined up? 10:07 < lsneff> The place I'm interning at this summer will definitely offer me full-time if I do well 10:10 < lsneff> but I have a bunch of other companies lined up for interviews in the fall 10:11 -!- cc0 [~cc0@2001:bc8:1830:2329::1] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:17 -!- fltrz [~ik@94.105.125.89.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0::f2f0] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:19 -!- fltrz [~ik@213.219.149.71] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:23 -!- cc0 [~cc0@2001:bc8:1830:2329::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:42 < nmz787_> "30% raises when you switch companies" can work, sure, but in many cases I've heard you basically won't get any other raises for 2-4 years at such a place, and if you had a signing bonus, can actually end up getting paid less when that runs out... which necessitates switching again or dealing with lower pay 10:43 < nmz787_> my wife hasn't switched companies in 10 years, this fall 10:43 < nmz787_> for me it's been around 7 10:44 < nmz787_> it's a good company, solid quarterly performance, great work-life balance, good perks, good bonuses often 10:44 < nmz787_> good careero progression outlook 10:45 < nmz787_> I see no reason to deal with switching jobs, it's not worth the hassle to me and the loss of fututre growth opportunities 10:45 < nmz787_> (right now) 10:47 < nmz787_> lsneff: regardless of whether you think it's stupid, it's a worthwhile investment in this economy, and it's not likely changing any decade soon 10:48 < nmz787_> re: silicon valley... I don't think I could get paid enough to be convinced to move there... so that's out 10:48 < nmz787_> and I should qualigy, I'm talking about degrees in science/engineering.... not like, interpretive dance 10:49 < nmz787_> also, you can sometimes get those 30% raises just by flashing a job offer for such to your current manager at your current job 10:50 < nmz787_> this has happened a lot around here lately, with apple and microsoft moving into town and trying to poach people 10:51 < nmz787_> lsneff: what degree program are you in? seems like CS or IT?? 10:52 < lsneff> engineering science 10:52 < lsneff> aka engineering physics 10:52 < nmz787_> is that also aka applied physics? 10:53 < lsneff> more or less similar I believe 10:53 < nmz787_> it sounds less strenuous 10:54 < lsneff> hard to say 10:55 < nmz787_> it's an unfortunate name since it sounds so generic 10:55 -!- cc0 [~cc0@2001:bc8:1830:2329::1] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:55 < nmz787_> (I mean mostly for hiring reasons) 10:56 < lsneff> Yeah, it is unfortunate. When I first heard of it, I imagined it to be something akin to a special-ed engineering major 10:57 < nmz787_> lol 10:57 < nmz787_> I didn't want to say something like that for fear of coming off too harsh 10:57 < lsneff> I do get to put honors on my resume though, so that does help with the hiring aspect 11:01 < nmz787_> not sure what your interests are, but if I'd have know you were about to graduate, I would have sent you the opening my team had... but I think we found someone a week or two ago 11:01 < nmz787_> (not for hire until May, and specifically wanted a recent colleg grad) 11:36 < lsneff> I appreciate that 11:36 < lsneff> I think I'm aiming for the space industry for the time being thouogh 11:44 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:57 < L29Ah> space industry sounds like a place where they'd want to see your academic credentials, and where you'll have a hard time finding employers at all 11:58 < L29Ah> and not sure about US, but in .ru they are paid shit, as there are plenty of space fans that are ready to work for food 12:07 < lsneff> It is somewhat different in the US 12:07 < lsneff> I have no interest in working for old space 12:08 < L29Ah> so, academic space or startup space? 12:08 < lsneff> yes 12:25 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:49 < nmz787_> yeah elon said a bunch of stuff about college degrees not counting, so there's your startup/private space stuff :) I know at least one or two people that work there, from college, and their facebook posts on stuff seem pretty cool 13:50 < L29Ah> for academic space you stay in academia for your life; for startup space you sniff and move around and happen to be in the right place at the right time 13:50 < L29Ah> elon stuff is neither 13:51 < L29Ah> it's more like nasa+big money partnership 14:30 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:31 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@172.58.43.234] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:32 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@172.58.43.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:46 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@2600:100f:b134:bd03:c0d3:a391:5ff2:1192] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:02 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@2600:100f:b134:bd03:c0d3:a391:5ff2:1192] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@2600:100f:b134:bd03:c0d3:a391:5ff2:1192] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:06 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@2600:100f:b134:bd03:c0d3:a391:5ff2:1192] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@172.58.43.234] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:24 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@172.58.43.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:25 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:27 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:17 -!- chiastre [~chiastre@user/chiastre] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:18 < otoburb> In Canada, Engineering Science was (probably still is) the more theoretical engineering program that was the only pathway to specialize in the really interesting disciplines like aerospace. 16:26 -!- chiastre [~chiastre@user/chiastre] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:28 < kanzure> streety: yeah probably not updated since 2014 16:28 < kanzure> what i'd miss 17:17 -!- Hooloovoo [~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18 -!- Hooloovoo [~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:32 -!- chiastre [~chiastre@user/chiastre] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:40 -!- chiastre [~chiastre@user/chiastre] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:12 < lsneff> I will say it’s a pretty theoretical degree. We write an undergrad thesis before graduating as well 18:23 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:49 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@172.58.43.234] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:08 -!- Malvolio is now known as Guest8601 19:08 -!- Guest8601 [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Killed (strontium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 19:08 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:19 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:23 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:25 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@172.58.43.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:40 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:44 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:45 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@2600:100f:b11d:4673:8c8c:363b:df76:fc2d] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:12 < maaku> nmz787_: I guess the flip side is that I've never gotten a bonus in my life... ever 20:13 < maaku> lsneff: is engineering science an engineering accredited degree, or a science degree? 20:14 < lsneff> accredited engineering degree 20:14 < maaku> nice, ok that makes sense. 20:14 < maaku> I'm an engineering physics grad, and that's a BSci 20:18 < maaku> having a generalist science+engineering background was actually really helpful for landing a NASA job right out of college 20:21 < lsneff> It’s been very useful for me so far even. Not just in the space/related fields. I was offered an internship at e11.bio after an interaction that started from someone noticing my particular degree 20:26 < maaku> nice. yeah I always recommend this degree to any students I know 20:28 < maaku> L29Ah: there's lots of high-paying jobs in the space sector here in the US for people who can meet ITAR requirements 20:29 < maaku> well, high-paying compared to most engineering. not more than software dev, of course. no one matches FAANG 20:31 < maaku> the russian aerospace sector is natoriously underpaid 20:38 < lsneff> Yeah, no one matches fang unfortunately 20:39 < lsneff> Though, you can get close, especially if you’re in software in aerospace, so I’ve been told 21:32 < fenn> i'm pretty sure "FANG" is some sort of high tech terrorist organization that battles GI JOE 21:45 < lsneff> sounds about right 21:46 < fenn> https://youtu.be/zBxHrNIzp9w?t=18m falcon 9 stage separation as seen from the ground 22:00 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@2600:100f:b11d:4673:8c8c:363b:df76:fc2d] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@172.58.43.234] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:17 -!- webmeister [~webmeiste@user/webmeister] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:42 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@172.58.43.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:43 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:48 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:49 < nmz787_> .wik faang 22:49 < saxo> Article not found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faang gave 404 | Searched en for 'faang' | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_result_found gave 404 | Searched en for 'No result found' 22:49 < nmz787_> .g faang 22:49 < saxo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tech 22:49 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:09 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:13 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:29 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0::f2f0] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:46 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:51 -!- nmz787_mobl [~nmz787_mo@10.sub-174-250-30.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Feb 01 00:00:46 2022