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01:15 < Llamamoe> kanzure: Lol what. 
01:15 < Llamamoe> That sounds so wild 
01:16 < Llamamoe> Unless you are by chance referring to gender dysphoria, in which case it *might* make slightly more than zero sense but uh
01:24 < Llamamoe> I don't think we're there yet sadly 
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04:18 < L29Ah> https://bitcheese.net/world-domination-plans/transsexuality for important mental health discussions
05:54 < kanzure> Llamamoe: we're definitely not there.
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10:04 < Llamamoe> L29Ah: Nice ignorance and casual transphobia you've got there bruh 
10:05 < Llamamoe> kanzure: Yeah I know. I've seen a study suggesting possible neural correlates of gender identity and I guess *IF* they honed-in on the right one *AND* its effects on broader processing of self are reversible, that could pose a target, but 
10:06 < Llamamoe> But let's be honest there isn't going to be any funding for that, and if there was, it would end up even more controversial than research into curing autism has been so far
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10:08 < Llamamoe> And also we run into an ethical issue, where if given the choice between GAHT prior to first puberty and reversing their gender identity disorder, 99% of trans people would choose the former, making treatment like this morally gray at best. 
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10:10 < Llamamoe> If we could diagnose and reverse GIDs in early childhood, that's one thing, but this will never happen because transgenderism is already self-evident to people from a very young age, it's just repressed in response to parental disapproval and need to conform to the gender role imposed on people by their assigned gender 
10:26 < Llamamoe> L29Ah: Overall looking at that page, god where did you find that stuff lol 
10:27 < muurkha> this is... not the level of discourse I am hoping for in this channel
10:27 < Llamamoe> muurkha: What's wrong with it?
10:32 < streety> It can be a little quiet at times but worth sticking with it
10:34 < muurkha> this paper from 02013 about 90% chromium 10% iron anodes for molten oxide electrolysis of iron is pretty promising: 10.1038/nature12134
10:37 < muurkha> chromium doesn't melt until 1907°, and the eskolaite passivation layer it forms is stable up to 2435°
10:38 < muurkha> but the more surprising result was that it didn't dissolve in the molten mixed metal oxides (CaO, MgO, Fe₃O₄, various contaminants) at the 1600° molten salt electrolysis temperature
10:39 < muurkha> (over a time scale of kiloseconds, not megaseconds)
10:40 < muurkha> potentially important for ISRU and the refining of a wide range of transition metals
10:41 < muurkha> streety: possibly you have Llamamoe on /ignore but if so you missed a "bruh" and a "let's be honest" and a "where did you find that stuff lol"
10:42 < muurkha> this is a Sadoway paper, FWIW
10:44 < muurkha> streety: plus various flamebait assertions about what "99% of trans people would choose" which I am extremely confident are not based on actually doing a random poll of trans people and probably are not based on actually knowing more than one trans person personally
10:44 < muurkha> the contrast with the level of dicussion I'm accustomed to here is ... extremely glaring
10:45 < L29Ah> Llamamoe: this is a home page of my close friend, yw :3
10:46 < Llamamoe> muurkha: I mean, the page linked is just raw ignorance and transphobia written by someone who has probably never read even as much as the wikipedia page on transgender people 
10:47 < Llamamoe> There's literally dozens of publications by now conclusively proving that gender dysphoria is a neurological, rather than a psychological condition 
10:48 < Llamamoe> And that it's completely unrelated to "faulty social programming" or other drivel pathologizing trans people 
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10:50 < Llamamoe> And female-to-male trans people aren't "more rare because of specifics of female social programming", the prevalence is like 50-70% that of MtF people, and actually going up faster as gender identity disorders become more common 
10:50 < streety> possibly missed those comments during client restarts before I had reviewed the playback.
10:50 < streety>  The criticism of the bitcheese link does seem fair. I still can't quite decide if it's just meant as a parody.
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10:54 < Llamamoe> L29Ah: Tell your close friend to, at the very least, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality instead of embarassing himself by writing ignorant, transphobic drivel 
10:56 < L29Ah> did you just imply their gender!?
10:57 < muurkha> sigh
10:57 < Llamamoe> L29Ah: No, I just clicked stuff on his page until finding his name on his gitlab :p
10:57 < Llamamoe> Iaroslav would be a very unusual name for a woman 
10:58 < muurkha> gentlemen, no fighting, please, this is the war room
10:58 < L29Ah> Llamamoe: relayed your criticism, they replied that they aren't going to argue with argumentum ab auctoritate
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11:01 < Llamamoe> L29Ah: Pretentiously using latin names of fallacies and rejecting the authority of science in favor of own baseless opinion elevates my opinion of him even further than his page itself 
11:01 < Llamamoe> If he wants to write strong opinions on a topic, he should have basic familiarity with it first 
11:02 < L29Ah> the latin name is mine, the original reply was in modern russian, so i had to translate it to somewhat more common terms
11:02 < Llamamoe> Ah fair enough, sorry :P 
11:09 < Llamamoe> Nonetheless, it's really arrogant to have a strong opinion on something when you actively refuse to even familiarize yourself with the basic outline of scientific consensus about the topic. 
11:12 < muurkha> as arrogant as making assertions about what 99% of trans people would choose or implying that anyone who disagrees with you is simply being dishonest?
11:13 < muurkha> also I note that this absolutely valueless, content-free conversation has continued for over an hour at this point
11:22 < kanzure> alright who i gotta ban
11:59 < nmz787_> Llamamoe: aren't neurological architecture also pathological? (I am just arguing your "neurological, rather than a psychological condition")
12:04 < muurkha> you mean "also psychological"?
13:57 < kanzure> https://www.anti-agingfirewalls.com/2022/02/15/practical-interventions-for-younging1-0-part-2-electromagnetic-health-stimulation-approaches-and-devices/
14:04 < superkuh> That electromagnetic health article starts off with not knowing about tesla's double exposure photos, moves directly on to brainwave entrainment "flavors" then begins the scam medical device affiliate link and... oh boy, really hitting all the little things I care about and hate to see misused, claims the extremely low field magnetic effect is via *solitons* of charge in proteins. :\
14:04 < superkuh> 100% crackpot.
14:05 < kanzure> ouch
14:05 < kanzure> alright
14:16 < nmz787_> muurkha: no, pathological
14:30 < nmz787_> Llamamoe: how is it reasonable to give someone hormone therapy before puberty... when the brain doesn't stop developing until like 24 years? kids and teenagers constantly change their personas and do stupid things because they're young and inexperienced. How can they be trusted to not be doing something terribly regretful?
14:30 < nmz787_> I mean, alcohol and tobacco allowance/restriction seems to have only gone up in age in (western) society
14:30 < nmz787_> (I'm not sure about eastern)
14:31 < nmz787_> and their restriction is, at least argumentively, because they can seriously mangle psychology and biology (i.e. DNA breakage, lung/liver trouble)
14:32 < kanzure> according to the russian doping scandal... all children get free hormones.
14:44 < L29Ah> superkuh: do you, by any chance, have a HF-capable rtlsdr and fl2k?
14:49 < superkuh> Yes.
14:50 < superkuh> I still haven't added an antenna pin out to my fl2k dongle though.
14:51 < L29Ah> superkuh: then you may be interested in checking out https://github.com/l29ah/ampliphase-fl2k that utilizes two channels of fl2k to produce AM with minimal external filtering
14:51 < L29Ah> http://www.amplitudemodulation.com.au/ampliphase.html the idea
14:52 < L29Ah> except that in our case fl2k produces square wave that then can be used to drive mosfets for instance
14:52  * L29Ah botched his direct sampling hack of his rtlsdr and is sad
14:58 < mrdata> :(
14:58 < mrdata> unbotch
14:59 < superkuh> Something like, ./ampliphase-fl2k -f something.wav -f 29240 -s 140000000 -s 48000  ?
15:03 < superkuh> Of. Big F.
15:03 < superkuh> Okay. Now I just have to set up the hackrf to receive it.
15:04 < superkuh> Hm. Probably on another computer since this usb bus will be saturated.
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15:05 < superkuh> More like, ./ampliphase-fl2k -f /usr/share/orage/sounds/Phone.wav -F 29240000 -s 140000000 -S 11025 .
15:16 < superkuh> Yep. Definitely can't run them both.
15:17 < superkuh> Ah, just had to increase /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/usbfs_memory_mb
15:19 < L29Ah> superkuh: well, not wav but raw
15:19 < L29Ah> it takes s16
15:19 < L29Ah> and your frequency is way too high
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15:20 < L29Ah> the available frequency is quite limited as it encodes amplitude with phase shifts
15:21 < L29Ah> and you have only
15:21 < L29Ah> λ> 140000000 / 29240000
15:21 < L29Ah> 4.7879616963064295
15:21 < L29Ah> available phase shifts
15:22 < L29Ah> i could hack osmo-fl2k so it has a better palette mode support for output sample rates up to ~400MSPS, but it still isn't enough for proper sound
15:23 < superkuh> Yeah. I'm doing 35 MHz now since it found that as a solution.
15:23 < superkuh> So far I'm not seeing it on the hackrf but it's probably just deaf. I know it's deaf, I killed the frontend amp.
15:24 < L29Ah> i could see 35MHz on my rtlsdr
15:24 < L29Ah> but still it's useless due to relatively coarse phase shifting
15:24 < L29Ah> aim for 1MHz or smth
15:25 < L29Ah> well not entirely useless, but i couldn't get any meaningful signal with rtlsdr
15:26  * L29Ah should recalculate his filter
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17:28 < muurkha> superkuh: I was astonished to read that the LaRouchians' explanation for why 432 Hz music is better also involves solitons
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