--- Log opened Sat Feb 19 00:00:03 2022 02:04 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:44 -!- Guest9 [~Guest9@169.145.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:45 -!- Guest9 [~Guest9@169.145.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Client Quit] 03:56 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:03 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0::bb3b] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:57 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:57 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:04 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:12 < kanzure> speaking of giant lasers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei_GZnrr1nw 07:14 < kanzure> oh it's not a laser? 07:15 -!- helleshin [~talinck@108-225-123-172.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:26 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:27 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20 < lsneff> Anyone know the context for this? https://mobile.twitter.com/leecronin/status/1495052137964916736 08:20 < lsneff> .t 08:20 < saxo> For the last decade people have been telling me the digitization of chemistry was impossible. They said it was too complicated, sensitive and expensive. Our chemical programming langauge runs on cheap hardware and can make any molecule or material. #chemputation https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL98nl0WUAQ1Xf_.jpg (@leecronin) 09:45 < fenn> trying out some rotting edge software... 09:45 < fenn> superkuh have you found a good system for making twitter look like RSS that still works? 09:46 < fenn> superkuh: btw your blog's RSS doesn't work, and it points to 127.0.0.1 09:49 < superkuh> Only in RSS readers that use the tag. 09:49 < superkuh> Within the tag the tag is correct. 09:49 < superkuh> I guess some readers must only parse one? 09:50 < superkuh> fenn, nitter mirrors are the way to get RSS feeds these days. 09:50 < superkuh> I haven't run my own scripts in years. 09:50 < fenn> ok that sounds easy enough 09:53 < fenn> hmm, except it doesn't actually work 09:53 < superkuh> Fixed the rss generation. Thanks. 09:54 < fenn> ah i guess some nitter mirrors havent implemented RSS and instead of a proper error give "user not found" 09:58 < heath> https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/wiki/Instances 09:59 < superkuh> nitter.pussthecat.org has been pretty reliable. 10:03 < fenn> with blogspot i can usually get the 500 most recent blog posts as RSS. is this what should typically be expected? 10:05 < fenn> i'm not sure whether i'm doing something wrong, some software is misconfigured on your or my end, or you are only publishing the last post because RSS is only supposed to show "news" as in "recently published things" not "everything ever in a non-sucky data format" 10:05 < fenn> the latter is what i really want 10:08 < fenn> looks like a software bug on my end (quiteRSS) 10:09 < superkuh> The RSS feed is made of whatever files matching a name pattern have been modified in the last month or two. 10:11 < superkuh> It is not meant to give you a list of every post ever. That's on the blog index as a link. 10:11 < fenn> a few minutes ago blog/rss.xml had a bunch of entries like
  • Blender sucks for 3D printing and can't do boolean ops [2021-10-05-1]
  • 10:11 < fenn> was that a mistake? 10:12 < superkuh> Could be an unintended consequence of changing from 127.0.0.1 to superkuh.com. 10:12 < superkuh> All my stuff is very hacky. This actually is just a perl script that takes out an unordered list I already generate for "recent files". 10:13 < superkuh> There should never be relative urls though. 10:14 < fenn> ok i am just being confused because i haven't really messed with rss before 10:14 < superkuh> I use QuiteRSS (0.18.12) too. It looks fine to me. But who knows... 10:15 < fenn> it seems like if i had kept this feed reader running for the past 5 years i'd have a copy of every post in its database, but since i didn't do that i can't go back and get the posts and stuff them into it now 10:15 < superkuh> Right. But there's this link for that, http://superkuh.com/blog/recent31337.html 10:15 < superkuh> I guess I could run the rssgen script against this one too to make an all posts rss feed. 10:15 < fenn> how do i use that with an rss reader? 10:16 < fenn> do i have to add some xml header and footers? 10:16 < superkuh> I use someone elses code in the form of the perl module XML::RSS::SimpleGen; http://superkuh.com/rssgen.pl.txt 10:17 < superkuh> Er, wrong one. 10:17 < superkuh> But you get the idea. 10:20 < superkuh> http://superkuh.com/rss-all.xml 10:20 < superkuh> There. That should update from now on too. 10:28 < fenn> thanks! i had almost made my own but recent31337.html changed spontaneously while i was hacking on the perl 10:34 < fenn> hm well it still doesnt really do what i want 10:36 < fenn> that's because your blog has a weird page format tho, no individual posts 10:37 < fenn> i thought "For sure the RSS evangelist superkuh would be the perfect target upon which to test out this unfamiliar software" - ha ha! murphy strikes again! 10:38 * fenn gives up procrastinating and attempts to do $productive_activity instead 10:40 < superkuh> Eh, I guess I could change the regex in the blogrssgen-all.pl to take the second individual page link in the []. 10:46 < fenn> oh there are individual post pages after all 10:46 < superkuh> Just gotta get this regex right... 10:50 < kanzure> soooo CPAN is still around? 10:51 < fenn> the problem is that the recentXXX.html makes links pointing to blog.html instead of the individual posts 10:54 -!- phill [uid429774@id-429774.ilkley.irccloud.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:55 < superkuh> For every year, yeah. 11:16 < superkuh> Okay. Finally fixed. 11:22 < fenn> superkuh: works better with pub dates. almost unbelievably i dont think the perl module can generate that field http://fennetic.net/irc/superkuh_rss.xml 11:23 < fenn> so i hammered it into place with vim 11:25 < fenn> :%s/Test: \(\d\d\d\d-\d\d-\d\d\)-\d<\/description>/\1<\/pubDate>/ 11:26 < fenn> i forget how to use perl 11:26 < fenn> mangling text this way is what it's good for right? 11:28 < fenn> so, yeah. i realize your blog is a pile of stuff hacked together over decades, so i dont expect everything to be perfect 11:30 < fenn> for a long time now i've wanted a way to strip out all the garbage and nav bars and ads and filler and visual-breaking CSS and stupid divs with image backgrounds, and just show the content in a regularized user interface, which ideally is a desktop application. it seems like RSS is an existing format for representing the content and the presentation layer works well enough, so it's just a matter 11:30 < fenn> of programmatically converting existing sites into RSS if they haven't been already 11:31 < fenn> but the "simple matter of programming" is too much of a job for one person to handle, even if converting each site is individually a mostly straightforward task 11:32 < fenn> there have been some academic attempts at "content extraction" (that's the keyword phrase you have to search for to find the relevant literature) but they never seem to actually lead to any sizable databases of downloadable content 11:33 < fenn> i want what happened with gopher in the bad old days to happen again. people "stealing" or "liberating" the content from its jail and redistributing over a regularized back end. i mean it's not even very much data to distribute, a few paragraphs of text and some dates 11:35 < fenn> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/02/gopher-when-adversarial-interoperability-burrowed-under-gatekeepers-fortresses 11:36 < fenn> there are a lot of "entrepreneurs" doing automated scraping for dubious business purposes, but very few first-person users who want the content for themselves 11:36 < fenn> ... doing automated scraping 11:36 < fenn> unfortunately the former make life hell for people like myself who aren't running chrome-9000 11:37 < fenn> why would you categorically ban "dillo" as a user agent? it's insane 11:38 < fenn> the only explanation i can come up with is that some misbehaving robot was using it, and somehow the string made it onto a blacklist that is being circulated around various web admin mailing lists 11:45 < fenn> "Adversarial Interoperability. The pre-Gopher information landscape was dominated by companies, departments, and individuals who were disinterested in giving users control over their own computing experience ... Rather than pursuing an argument with these self-appointed Lords of Computing, the Gopher team simply went around them, interconnecting to their services without asking for permission. 11:45 < fenn> They didn't take data they weren't supposed to haveā€”but they did make it much easier for the services' nominal users to actually access them." 11:48 < fenn> however RSS "readers" are by definition read-only, and can't compete with the likes of tweetdeck on the social networks 12:28 -!- Malvolio is now known as Guest4563 12:28 -!- Guest4563 [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:30 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:53 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:19 < muurkha> .t https://birdsite.xanny.family/V_Saggiomo/status/1495144392306434052#m 14:19 < saxo> Vittorio Saggiomo (@V_Saggiomo): 'It's 4 years after the Science chemputer paper, and still absolutely no info / BOM / instructions on how to reproduce one......' | Birdsite 14:19 < fenn> psh you expected CAD drawings? from academia? 14:20 < fenn> code? what you mean by "reproducibility"? 14:20 < muurkha> BOMs are standard in methods sections of chemistry papers 14:22 < fenn> supposedly general purpose reaction modeling software and databases have been secretly restricted by intelligence agencies, because it's actually super simple to make highly lethal substances (i.e. nerve gas) from commonly available chemicals, and it would be impossible to put the genie back in the bottle 14:25 < nmz787_> fenn: hmm, that makes sense 14:26 < nmz787_> I remember that vinegar thieves guy, at biohacktheplanet, who said they were using some reverse-synthesis stuff for their medical drug open-source thing 14:26 < nmz787_> but that it was a closed-source database/software, or something 14:26 < nmz787_> I can't remember exactly 14:27 < nmz787_> something something "scanning patents and academic papers for reaction pathways... AI, ML, blah blah" 14:30 -!- Croran [~Croran@71.231.214.173] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:31 < fenn> the four thieves vinegar guy is a poser 14:32 < fenn> all ted talk and no substance 14:33 < fenn> maybe he could have collaborated with some real chemists, but i bet his anarchist zine style turned a lot of potential participants off 14:33 < fenn> and like, if you don't have anything, that's fine, but don't say you do have a thing when you don't 14:34 < fenn> i'd love it if the world had an anarchist zine chemical synthesis database, or whatever 14:34 < fenn> the real anarchist's cookbook, not a joke 14:35 < fenn> so many political radicals reject the entirety of science and systems, and end up shooting themselves in the foot because of it 14:36 < fenn> systems are used because they work, and things that work survive and persist 14:37 < fenn> a total rejection of systems means your implicit and illegible system will just end up being subverted by a parasitic system, because it hasn't been examined for flaws and vulnerabilities 14:37 < fenn> .g tyranny of structurelessness 14:37 < saxo> https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm 14:39 < fenn> i think there was a more succinct and direct version of this article 14:42 -!- spaceangel_ [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48 < fenn> 'informal elites have been hiding under the banner of "anti-elitism" and "structurelessness." To effectively counter the competition from another informal structure, they would have to become "public," and this possibility is fraught with many dangerous implications. Thus, to maintain its own power, it is easier to rationalize the exclusion of the members of the other informal structure' 14:49 < fenn> (the rival/usurper informal structure) 15:02 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:23 -!- phill [uid429774@id-429774.ilkley.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:51 < kanzure> fenn: there used to be a reader mode software thing for browsers. i forget the name. google turned the concept into google amp viewer. 15:55 < kanzure> nsh might know the name of these. 16:26 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:37 < nsh> it used to be a little book icon in the address bar in firefox but i don't see it anymore 16:37 < nsh> still available as extension but perhaps deprecated from the browser itself 16:38 < nsh> just a pretty basic restyling but was good for bypassing user-hostility often 16:38 < kanzure> what was it called though? threadless? threadform? 16:38 -!- mrdata_ [~mrdata@135-23-182-185.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:39 < kanzure> 'reader viewer' 16:40 < nsh> the latter 16:40 < nsh> perhaps it depends on the page 16:40 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@user/mrdata] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:41 < nsh> yeah the icon changed too but i see it here: https://techdows.com/2020/05/this-is-firefoxs-redesigned-reader-mode.html 16:41 < nsh> https://i.imgur.com/PjsLbvo.png 16:55 -!- mrdata_ [~mrdata@135-23-182-185.cpe.pppoe.ca] has quit [Changing host] 16:55 -!- mrdata_ [~mrdata@user/mrdata] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:57 -!- mrdata_ is now known as mrdata 18:28 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:37 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:51 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0::bb3b] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:11 -!- Malvolio [~Malvolio@user/malvolio] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:57 -!- Croran [~Croran@71.231.214.173] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:22 -!- Croran [~Croran@71.231.214.173] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:38 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:59 -!- Croran [~Croran@71.231.214.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] --- Log closed Sun Feb 20 00:00:04 2022