--- Log opened Thu Mar 10 00:00:21 2022 01:04 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:17 -!- test_ [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18 -!- test_ [flooded@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/flood/x-43489060] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:47 -!- test_ is now known as _flood 04:17 -!- baracurda [~baracurda@user/parserblabla] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:55 -!- baracurda [~baracurda@user/parserblabla] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56 -!- baracurda [~baracurda@user/parserblabla] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:01 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0::bb3b] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:48 < lsneff> fenn: re plasmons, that seems to be exactly right 05:50 < lsneff> Might be a good way to do low-quantity runs of chips 05:50 < lsneff> The minimum line width seems to be competitive with current EUV metal pitch 05:50 < lsneff> (For that exact setup) 07:03 < jrayhawk> offli 07:03 < jrayhawk> whoops 08:10 -!- phill [uid429774@id-429774.ilkley.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:35 -!- phill [uid429774@id-429774.ilkley.irccloud.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:00 -!- baracurda [~baracurda@user/parserblabla] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33 < nmz787_> xaete[m]: the way to spend less time making a fab device is to use someone elses fab device 09:34 * nmz787_ really needs to get the cleanroom setup here *grumble* *grumble* 09:34 < xaete[m]> yea thats what i guessed 09:34 < nmz787_> xaete[m]: I *should* be able to do ion beam lithography, though I haven't actually calibrated myself to the processes 09:34 < xaete[m]> oooo sounds cool 09:35 < nmz787_> http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/smi3200/pics.html 09:36 < xaete[m]> daymn thats cool 09:37 < nmz787_> I now have a much larger workshop, but have been lazy to set up shop in it before finishing the building a little more 09:38 < nmz787_> i.e. before I just threw up thick plastic around the FIB and put a room HEPA filter in there.... but now I want to actually insulate and build a positive pressure room for it (and other machines, and a lab bench) 09:47 -!- Codaraxis_ [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:49 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:50 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:54 -!- Codaraxis_ [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:00 < xaete[m]> ah nice 10:01 < xaete[m]> i assume since its a +'ve pressure room you can use it for bio n stuff too? 10:05 < nmz787_> yeah, though I might be a little more paranoid for that stuff and want a hood specifically for it. That might be more related to seeing laminar flow hoods as the standard, and not ever seeing cleanrooms for bio... even though the latter probably would work just fine 10:09 < xaete[m]> yea laminar flow seems standard, but i suspect its a cost thing 10:09 < xaete[m]> cleanrooms are more expensive than a box with a fan and a HEPA filter 10:09 < nmz787_> yeah probably 10:10 < xaete[m]> they probably use cleanrooms for prep-scale bio stuff, especially if its pharmacutical 10:10 < nmz787_> the only concern might be, and this depends on what sort of bio would be going on, but if some bacteria/fungus started sporulating and would pose a significant detriment to the cleanroom air quality 10:10 < xaete[m]> yea itd be worried if cross-contamination was an issue 10:11 < xaete[m]> personally id separate the two, one laminar flow hood for stuff that grows and one for a place where nothing should 10:11 < nmz787_> usually for nano fab you might not be worried about new particles coming from within the room, unless you were specifically doing some chemistry that could evolve such (i.e. catch on fire) 10:11 < nmz787_> vs contamination "just happens" 10:11 < nmz787_> (bio contam) 10:12 < xaete[m]> yea biology is uber bullshit 10:12 < xaete[m]> in chemistry youre supposed to protect yourself from the fumes, not the fumes from yourself :P 10:12 < nmz787_> so far I was hoping to find cheap surplus laminar and fume hoods, and those could be outside the cleanroom 10:12 < nmz787_> (if I found two fume hoods, then maybe one could be inside and the other outside) 10:13 < nmz787_> there's some saying like, bio needs to be sterile, but nanofab needs to be clean 10:16 < xaete[m]> yea makes sense 10:17 < xaete[m]> you can prob just build your own for bio tbh 10:17 < xaete[m]> same with a fume hood for chem, ik lots of ppl do that 10:24 < nmz787_> yeah, for sure, sometimes though surplus deals are hard to beat 10:24 < xaete[m]> o ye def 10:25 < xaete[m]> sadly surplus market here from what i can tell kinda sucks 10:25 < nmz787_> where ya at? 10:26 < xaete[m]> canada 10:26 < nmz787_> ah, gotta be some university nearby tho? 10:26 < xaete[m]> ye mayb, will def check those out when i get free time to 10:26 < xaete[m]> but the usual sources (ok, just ebay) almost never turn up much 10:32 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:35 -!- Llamamoe [~Llamamoe@178235178035.dynamic-4-waw-k-1-2-0.vectranet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:07 < nmz787_> xaete[m]: do you happen to be in BC? 11:07 < nmz787_> that's at least a little closer to me here, in terms of "Canada" 11:28 < xaete[m]> not in bc, sorry 11:40 < xaete[m]> more great lakes area 14:11 < kanzure> .wik doxbin 14:11 < saxo> "Doxbin was a document sharing and publishing website which invites users to contribute personally identifiable information, or 'dox', of any person of interest." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxbin 14:13 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:05 -!- spaceangel [~spaceange@ip-78-102-216-202.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16 -!- yashgaroth [~ffffffff@2601:5c4:c780:6aa0::bb3b] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:22 < nmz787_> can't be doxxed if you dox yourself 17:29 -!- darsie [~darsie@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:16 -!- Codaraxis [~Codaraxis@user/codaraxis] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:24 -!- Zsuzsi` [~ident@ip68-6-210-54.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: —I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 3.5.2.1 (January '19)] 19:02 < lsneff> Yeah, I basically have all my info on Twitter, even my town 21:29 < fenn> i really wonder how these anti-gun anti-anonymity people expect this all to work. you just get murdered with impunity by any wingnut with a grudge against something you may or may not have actually said? 21:30 < fenn> there will always be more wingnuts with grudges than famous people 21:33 < fenn> and they can murder multiple people, even without guns, like for example what happened at kyoto animation 21:58 < mrdata> maybe the wingnuts can go after each other 22:16 < fenn> speak for yourself 22:16 < fenn> i know a wingnut who'd like to get you 22:35 -!- phill [uid429774@id-429774.ilkley.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:04 -!- mrdata_ [~mrdata@135-23-182-185.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:06 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@user/mrdata] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:35 -!- mrdata [~mrdata@135-23-182-185.cpe.pppoe.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:36 -!- mrdata_ [~mrdata@135-23-182-185.cpe.pppoe.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Mar 11 00:00:22 2022