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04:42  pasky> maaku: I'd be paying like one transaction per 2 months or so, and not interested in running any always-on services related to that (that's why I use electrum) - is lightning not a sensible tool for me in that case?
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18:31  maaku> pasky: lightning requires an always-on service or the other side can scam you out of your channel funds
18:31  maaku> watchtowers are meant for this use case though, but I have no idea how mature they are
18:36  maaku> lsneff found this: https://astera.org/molecular-systems/
18:37  maaku> Jed McCaleb's foundation. Adam Marblestone is a research directory there, although not listed under the molecular systems team
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20:46  muurkha> for one transaction per 2 months I'd think you could just use Bitcoin.  or Litecoin
20:46  muurkha> or Ethereum I guess
21:26  maaku> muurkha: fees are out of control
21:31  muurkha> my last transaction fee on Bitcoin was 33¢ a few weeks ago
21:32  muurkha> oh wait, I did a transaction more recently than that
21:33  muurkha> Friday
21:33  muurkha> the transaction fee was US$1.11
21:36  muurkha> is that what you mean by "out of control"?  by contrast the market spread I paid to the guy who was selling me the fiat currency was US$30
21:52  fenn> apparently "silver poop" is a thing, and it really looks silver. it's associated with a rare form of cancer, but can we make it happen intentionally, for frivolous cosmetic purposes?
21:53  fenn> then if someone says "hey, is this your poop?" you can say "nah man, my poop is silver"
22:00  muurkha> maybe you could just eat a lot of gold leaf
22:28  maaku> muurkha: yes I consider such per-tx fees to be outrageous
22:30  muurkha> oh, well, for some purposes they are
22:30  muurkha> but for things like a paycheck they're acceptable
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