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11:23 < lsneff> Do y’all have inner monologues?
11:29 < L29Ah> do inner monologues exist?
11:31 < docl> sure, constantly
11:35 < muurkha> aye
11:36 < muurkha> lacking an inner monologue is unusual enough that when it happens to people they often worry that they are broken
12:45 < nmz787> I didn't know inner monologues didn't exist in some folks until like 5 years ago and I was super surprised
12:45 < nmz787> A study of boys diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders found that a broader than average philtrum is one of a cluster of physical attributes associated with autism.[9]
12:45 < nmz787> from .wik Philtrum
12:45 < nmz787> .wik Philtrum
12:45 < saxo> "The philtrum (Latin: philtrum from Ancient Greek φίλτρον phíltron, lit. 'love charm'), or medial cleft, is a vertical indentation in the middle area of the upper lip, common to therian mammals, extending in humans from the nasal septum to the tubercle of the upper [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum
13:43 < fenn> i don't know what an inner monologue is but i'm pretty sure i don't have one. sometimes there are hypothetical conversations that run automatically between a hypothetical me and a simulation of an existing human, and i have some input to that conversation
13:45 < muurkha> an inner monologue is where you imagine a voice or writing as a method of thinking
13:46 < fenn> i can imagine using the sort of "if A then B" explaining how a program works to another person internally, but i don't do it without a good reason
13:46 < fenn> like, when debugging a program for example
13:47 < muurkha> a lot of people do it without ever stopping
13:48 < fenn> supposedly my EEG spectrum is like someone who is very experienced at meditation
13:52 < muurkha> fascinating
13:52  * fenn grumbles about shape rotators vs wordcels
13:52 < muurkha> haha
13:53 < fenn> this is probably why i feel extremely unsatisfied with math proofs
13:54 < fenn> there's all this build up and reverence around a process that's basically just rearranging dominoes so they all line up and say a = a
13:54 < fenn> people get so excited about it but it's really just a let-down
13:55 < fenn> i do say stuff out loud under my breath like "seriously who thinks putting dishes in the sink counts as doing something"
13:56 < fenn> addressed to nobody in particular
13:56 < fenn> it's more of an extended version of cursing
14:04 < muurkha> are you Platonist?  I think reverence from math proofs stems from Platonism
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14:58 < xaete> i have an internal monologue i think. sometimes i have an external one too when im alone
14:58 < xaete> some ppl think im strange for talkin to myself but idrc
15:04 < muurkha> it can be a useful technique
16:13 < nsh> .wik Proofs from THE BOOK
16:13 < saxo> "Proofs from THE BOOK is a book of mathematical proofs by Martin Aigner and Günter M. Ziegler. The book is dedicated to the mathematician Paul Erdős, who often referred to 'The Book' in which God keeps the most elegant proof of each mathematical theorem." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proofs_from_THE_BOOK
16:14 < nsh> having an internal monologue is alright
16:14 < nsh> it's when you have a heap of them and some are talking in sanskrit
16:14 < nsh> then you got troubles
16:14 < nsh> after that you kinda gotta keep driving onwards lest you succumb to madness
16:27 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Laundry_Files
16:32 < kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_D.O.D.O.
16:43 < muurkha> why, what's wrong with Sanskrit?
17:12 < maaku> lsneff: I don't have inner monologues. I don't think in language unless I'm composing something.
17:12 < maaku> *composing something to say or write
17:15 < lsneff> Interesting
17:16 < maaku> non-linguistic thought lacks clarity though. when I want to be precise about what I'm thinking, which is almost all the time when I'm working, I try to compose my thoughts about it in my head, like mentally writing an essay to myself
17:16 < maaku> but to be clear, it *feels* like I've already thought it through (non-verbally), and I'm just trying to solidify it into words
17:17 < maaku> it doesn't feel natural for me to just think about stuff in words from the get-go
17:17 < maaku> (I was also speech delayed as a child)
17:28 < muurkha> sometimes I feel like linguistic thought lacks clarity.  like, there are a lot of things I can visualize a lot more clearly than I can describe them linguistically
17:37 < maaku> that too
17:55 < muurkha> I visualize math a lot because otherwise I can't tell when I've messed up my domino-rearranging
17:55 < nsh> muurkha, nothing wrong with sanskrit; it's having headmates who presumably lived in ancient times that's a bit weir
17:55 < nsh> dd
17:55 < nsh> *weird
17:57 < muurkha> maybe they just think they did.  lots of people learn Sanskrit nowadays too
19:25 < kanzure> https://news.mit.edu/2022/frequency-therapeutics-hearing-regeneration-0329
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20:46 < maaku> if you're gonna spend time learning sanskrit, lean toaq instead. then at least your headmates can have logically precise conversations with you
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